PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[sillls]

from a story point you are correct. now. play a horde night. do you notice any of the zombies attacking the animals? I dont. they usually kill them, but not on horde night. they tend to ignore other ai and go for players. as I have stated; we don't know the interaction between these ai's yet, as nothing has been stated on it.
so, I asked faatal, who isn't aka sills, how is this being handled?

Yes they do attack animals. Unless they are a wolf or normal bear. Then it's the zombies get attacked.

I have never seen an animal on hoard night and I have played plenty of hoard nights.

But go ahead and ask faatal

 

[konrax]

If I'm interpreting you correctly.....

For those who felt I was trying to stifle conversation, I sincerely apologize. Discuss to your hearts content AND be assured that TFP is aware of the points you've brought up either because A) they are obvious, B) the work isn't finished, or C) thanks to your feedback

(Pick whichever scenario brings you the most joy.)

I would like to add this game needs more zombies.

 

[Roland]

For those that deeply care about making hobson's choices over poop and bones they can keep the inventory size small.

For poop and bones it’s more like Sophie’s choice....

And if THAT doesn’t help you see that I was being facetious and poking fun at the whole debate by making such a ridiculous statement in my original post I’m happy to go back and tint the text purple for you.

I’m all for options.

 

[Guppycur]

Yes they do attack animals. Unless they are a wolf or normal bear. Then it's the zombies get attacked.
I have never seen an animal on hoard night and I have played plenty of hoard nights.

But go ahead and ask faatal

They would ignore them if they were there anyway, because they're in feral mode on horde nights. aka, GPS mode.

/not faatal since 1971

 

[chaosterone]

You could let the students use calculators every now and again, the abacus was a good invention in its day but 5318008 just isn't the same with beads.

That's true, but teaching with an abacus intimidates the administration so they avoid Roland and leave him alone.

 

[faatal]

from a story point you are correct. now. play a horde night. do you notice any of the zombies attacking the animals? I dont. they usually kill them, but not on horde night. they tend to ignore other ai and go for players. as I have stated; we don't know the interaction between these ai's yet, as nothing has been stated on it.
so, I asked faatal, who isn't aka sills, how is this being handled?

I don't know yet, since I have not looked at that. When I do, I can discuss it, but many other tasks are higher priority.

 

[faatal]

A very faatalistic thread about AI and Pathing

Wow, all my ramblings in one place.

 

[wolfbain5]

They would ignore them if they were there anyway, because they're in feral mode on horde nights. aka, GPS mode.
/not faatal since 1971

was my assessment as well

I don't know yet, since I have not looked at that. When I do, I can discuss it, but many other tasks are higher priority.

nod. yes boss

 

[sillls]

Wow, all my ramblings in one place.

Yes scary, very scary.

 

[Roland]

Wow, all my ramblings in one place.

It took a legendary steel shovel with several mods attached to make the pile as deep as I did...

;-)

 

[sillls]

It took a legendary steel shovel with several mods attached to make the pile as deep as I did...
;-)

Oh so you were really trying to bury them? Nice!

 

[The Gronk]

So... behavior trees... with several behavior options to choose from at any given moment it would not be a bad idea to use a behavior tree. Have they been implemented and, if so, what type? Will the modders be able to build their own from a bit of xml trickery and boilerplate code?

 

[Aldranon]

Yes.
If there were multiple penalty types in each grid location, zombies could even use different weighting combinations, so they would have varied behavior, like weaker ones place a stronger value to block health, while higher damaging zombies don't care to go around as much. More data in the grid will use more memory, but should be fine.

There it is.

I obviously didn't read that carefully! This will make every zombie type not only unique and interesting, but the players targeting choices will require some thought if they make an asymmetrical base.

Edit: So the only smart way to focus all your turrets on one side IMHO (I could be wrong), is to build into the side of a mountain at ground level, like some NORAD thing.

It could be interesting!

 

[corvette81]

This might be seen as a rant so just be aware

I must confess I am worried about this update, I mean A16 vastly improved how I enjoyed the game in a positive way however I was disappointed by how many things didn't make the cut that were showcased in the previews and A17 is in dangerous territory for a repeat, the showing off the gyrocopter, jeep and other smaller things that aren't being fully implemented(or implemented at all). I mean I almost think that Joel or someone needs to put up a video explaining the current state of the alpha 17, maybe even hold off on adding of the jeep until passengers and upgrades/customization can be added leave that for 17.2 or something(assuming 17.1 will be mostly bug fixes). I don't wanna be a downer but transparency is key when making a game in early access imho.

Also I hope that the power system gets a relook in the future adding in garage doors that open on a button(or sensor) and even a electrical conduit that is a solid piece so we can clean up the messy wires etc(or just give us the ziplines ). The current system seems like its lacking a little polish, its a fantastic addition though don't get me wrong.

I dunno I love the game and it has great potential I just hope a17 isn't flashy features and not fleshed out features.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ some people won't agree, maybe some people will but eitherway felt I needed to say something.

 

[Roland]

This might be seen as a rant so just be aware
I must confess I am worried about this update, I mean A16 vastly improved how I enjoyed the game in a positive way however I was disappointed by how many things didn't make the cut that were showcased in the previews and A17 is in dangerous territory for a repeat, the showing off the gyrocopter, jeep and other smaller things that aren't being fully implemented(or implemented at all). I mean I almost think that Joel or someone needs to put up a video explaining the current state of the alpha 17, maybe even hold off on adding of the jeep until passengers and upgrades/customization can be added leave that for 17.2 or something(assuming 17.1 will be mostly bug fixes). I don't wanna be a downer but transparency is key when making a game in early access imho.

Also I hope that the power system gets a relook in the future adding in garage doors that open on a button(or sensor) and even a electrical conduit that is a solid piece so we can clean up the messy wires etc(or just give us the ziplines ). The current system seems like its lacking a little polish, its a fantastic addition though don't get me wrong.

I dunno I love the game and it has great potential I just hope a17 isn't flashy features and not fleshed out features.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ some people won't agree, maybe some people will but eitherway felt I needed to say something.

Mostly everything on the first page and shown in the videos is in. You have to remember that the pimps add things by iterations so electricity is definitely lacking polish because what was implemented was the first iteration. The jeep will be added for sure but as a first version it won't support passengers-- but that will be added in later. No reason to not implement jeeps at all just because they know they won't have time to get all the issues with passengers figured out by A17 release.

Gyrocopter was shown but then decided to be held back as the pedal bike, motorcycle, and jeep were good enough for A17.

The devs talk about "shippable" features more than they have in the past. There are still "good enough" features being added as a first version but there are others that they are getting into their final gold release quality forms. The devs do not consider the current state of electricity to be in final shippable form so there will be more work done on that whether A17 or A18 is unclear.

I think A17 will have some good meaty substance that will be fun for new players and veterans alike.

 

[DaVegaNL]

Who are you? ...and what have you done with the REAL DaVega?!

Hehe, it was either my good-natured twin brother, or my other identity ^^

But alright, alright.

Ahum.

It's been almost 12 months since A16 experimental was released and it's been more than a month since we received a video!!

 

[corvette81]

No reason to not implement jeeps at all just because they know they won't have time to get all the issues with passengers figured out by A17 release.

Respectfully I will have to disagree, people who don't follow this thread won't know about the jeep and will be bitterly disappointed when they join a server with friends, build up to the stage of having vehicles and find out they will all need their own, I dunno maybe I am asking too much.

I think its better to postpone the jeep, the other new vehicles "should" keep people busy long enough(month or so) for a for a fix to be found and the jeep to be added with full support.

 

[Survager]

Respectfully I will have to disagree, people who don't follow this thread won't know about the jeep and will be bitterly disappointed when they join a server with friends, build up to the stage of having vehicles and find out they will all need their own, I dunno maybe I am asking too much.I think its better to postpone the jeep, the other new vehicles "should" keep people busy long enough(month or so) for a for a fix to be found and the jeep to be added with full support.

I agree. Jeep and his recipies can be blocked in XML, so that only those who know about it will themselves get it)

 

[toores]

This might be seen as a rant so just be aware
I must confess I am worried about this update,...

I'm not worried in the slightest. A17 will bring tons of great stuff as all the previous alphas. In pimps we trust!

About the stuff that might not make the cut, that's just something that comes with the forums. You read everything here, well, some of it is not gonna make it to A17.

I personally would be happy with even more information about what TFP are planning and thinking and I wouldn't mind if some of it never make it to the game. I think it was more like this with early alphas, but as the crowd is more sensitive about it now, we now only get information about what's almost certain to be included.

I totally disagree about holding off content that hasn't reached its final iteration or the notion that everything they talk about is taken as a solid promise. (or else people feel like they are robbed of their ziplines...)

 

[Rassilon]

Respectfully I will have to disagree, people who don't follow this thread won't know about the jeep and will be bitterly disappointed when they join a server with friends, build up to the stage of having vehicles and find out they will all need their own, I dunno maybe I am asking too much.I think its better to postpone the jeep, the other new vehicles "should" keep people busy long enough(month or so) for a for a fix to be found and the jeep to be added with full support.

Got to agree with the Jeep here. Learning to know, that the Jeep wont most likely have the ability to have Passengers in A17 is a let down of some sort.

A17 looks like a great Update, looking at all the features, but for the Jeep im gonna ask: Why should i farm/build it, when it does the same things as the Minibike? ( a bit faster, a bit more inventory?...)