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What Roland is saying is: Don't believe what the devs say, believe what Roland says the dev say.Also an open exchange of ideas and concerns are welcome, yet shut the hell up.

Good stuff.
Please quote the post of Roland's that remotely says any of this? Don't blame him if he has to explain something that was said in plain english to people. Pretty much everything he said was already posted by the devs in question but people on here tend to ignore half the post and concentrate on their perceived shortcoming of a brand new half finished system they have never even actually seen nor played.

 
What Roland is saying is: Don't believe what the devs say, believe what Roland says the dev say.Also an open exchange of ideas and concerns are welcome, yet shut the hell up.

Good stuff.
That is certainly one interpretation.

Another interpretation, true to the form you used, would be:

"What Aldranon is really saying is that he has a different opinion/interpretation than Roland does, so instead of listening to what Roland says, listen to what Aldranon says Roland means."

I do get what you're saying, and he may sometimes come off as that, but he never said that, you said that. He may have meant that, you may have heard that. But he never said it.

 
I build my base underground so zombie ai is not going to effect me too much, until horde night anyway, as I usually hop into the 2nd/3rd floor of some random poi and shoot thru wood frames at them. If we were in a real zombie apoc, you can bet there is no way most people will stay at the ground level to fight off a small horde, they going to do it from a place they can't get grabbed at.

I've always found horde night kinda stupid, like how do they suddendly become able to bascally turn into a heat seeking missle and find me where ever I go. The fact zombies can run alone is kinda far fetched from the standart zombie archetype. But as a game, the running zombies adds more challenge, so I can see why its a thing.

 
How so? I have never owned a console. Where I'm coming from is simply expecting people to be reasonable.


Research how? Go to the game's PC version's forums to read up on that?

If you go to 7daystodie.com, it just says to choose your platform. On the official console site, it says "Now, it comes to PlayStation 4 and XBox One for the first time." I would read it's a console version of the game not a port from a half-developed PC game. You'd have to check te PC version's site to discover that it's not even finished yet.

The point is that average user sees cool gameplay on youtube and buys a console version and is very disappointed. TFP is left in a bad light. Both versions have the same name. How often do you assume that the same game is grately lacking features when you buy console version?

The bare minimum I would do is publish the console version with a slightly different name to avoid confusion.
I am coming from a world where I own both a PC and a console so I might be a bit more informed in that area. If I see it is available on multi platforms, especially if it crosses from PC to the console market, I make sure to at least do a bit of research to make sure I know what I am getting and which platform I may be getting the better experience. I personally prefer PC for most of my gaming, but I used to find better couch co op experience through console.

Go to Google and type in 7dtd pc vs Xbox or PS4. Most often you will get many return articles/reviews that give a breakdown of the many differences between the various media. Many times you are just looking at loss in the graphics department for many of the bigger games that cross platform. But others have been known to completely remove some content or in the case of early access games be serveral versions behind.

 
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That is certainly one interpretation.Another interpretation, true to the form you used, would be:

"What Aldranon is really saying is that he has a different opinion/interpretation than Roland does, so instead of listening to what Roland says, listen to what Aldranon says Roland means."

I do get what you're saying, and he may sometimes come off as that, but he never said that, you said that. He may have meant that, you may have heard that. But he never said it.
Do we now have to believe what art1336 says that Aldranon means when he gives his spin on an opinion/interpretation of Roland's ?

My brain is breaking...

 
The person who complained watched the Neeb's gaming series and formed their expectations of what the game would be like based on that.

Go to Google and type in 7dtd pc vs Xbox or PS4.
Guys, I know that technically you're right. I'm just saying when I'd consider buying Assassins Creed (or whatever) on PS or Xbox wouldn't think I'd need to investigate the console version in case I might get screwed over. And that's how customers feel like. No one lied to them, someone just failed to mention very relevant information.

Like I said before, for starters, there could have been an alteration in the name to prevent that confusion. Like: "7 days to die: Michonne's story" or whatever to disdinguish the two branches. Blaming the guy who feels disappointed is just a distraction from the point that it could have been handled better.

PS. Sorry for going off topic, I won't discuss it further. The reason I brought this up is that it's a totally obvious reaction by the guy and maybe TFP would consider doing somthing to make it better understood. Their customers...

Tbh, the fact that the console version has anything to do with Telltale is actually the best indicator that there might be less stuff you can do in the game - this could have easily been a story about a survival horde crafting game :D
 
Toores have you gone to the main 7dtd site? If you do you’ll see that you are asked to pick which version you have and if you pick console you are redirected to Telltale’s site. That’s a pretty good indication all by itself that there are differences between the two versions.

 
Do we now have to believe what art1336 says that Aldranon means when he gives his spin on an opinion/interpretation of Roland's ?
My brain is breaking...
If I'm interpreting you correctly.....

For those who felt I was trying to stifle conversation, I sincerely apologize. Discuss to your hearts content AND be assured that TFP is aware of the points you've brought up either because A) they are obvious, B) the work isn't finished, or C) thanks to your feedback

(Pick whichever scenario brings you the most joy.)

 
If I'm interpreting you correctly.....

For those who felt I was trying to stifle conversation, I sincerely apologize. Discuss to your hearts content AND be assured that TFP is aware of the points you've brought up either because A) they are obvious, B) the work isn't finished, or C) thanks to your feedback

(Pick whichever scenario brings you the most joy.)
You forgot D) All of the above.

How can it be a real multiple choice without that one...

 
For you or the bandit?
Zombies on hoard night are faatal meaning that they can since you wherever and if they can smell you out hiding away in your fort. They can easily find a lone bandit out in the open. Who must have lost his mind for being out there on a night like this.

If anything, it would make it more safe for you as the hoard chase after the idiot. Might be funny to watch faatal zombies chasing after a bandit.

Would love to watch what a bandit would do with either weapon against a hoard of running and screaming zombies.
Maybe, but here's a question. we havent heard about zed and raider interactions yet. and if zeds are gonna gps to players on horde nights, npc raiders can easily avoid them and rain havok upon players. so, how is this gonna be handled Faatal?

 
I have copied all of faatal's posts on the subject of AI and pathing to their own thread so that people may read through them all without distraction and get a solid picture of his progress with the overhaul. Now YOU can form your own opinion of what faatal has been doing without the filter of MY interpretation. It is a very interesting read and I hope it spurs more questions, conversation, and enlightens some who may have been confused by all the commentary by the masses.

A very faatalistic thread about AI and Pathing

 
It's because of "common core" Roland is tainted already. :anonymous:
I say "Yes, okay, and this is great!" in the Staff meetings and then return to my room where I teach math the way it has been for 1000's of years...

What God hath designed let not man common core!

 
I have copied all of faatal's posts on the subject of AI and pathing to their own thread so that people may read through them all without distraction and get a solid picture of his progress with the overhaul. Now YOU can form your own opinion of what faatal has been doing without the filter of MY interpretation. It is a very interesting read and I hope it spurs more questions, conversation, and enlightens some who may have been confused by all the commentary by the masses.
A very faatalistic thread about AI and Pathing
I love you for this.

 
And some people would rob you of important choices like this by increasing inventory size and allowing you to have it all...
I still have to make the same choices with my full and modded BIGGER backpack. There's alot of loot you know :p

 
Maybe, but here's a question. we havent heard about zed and raider interactions yet. and if zeds are gonna gps to players on horde nights, npc raiders can easily avoid them and rain havok upon players. so, how is this gonna be handled Faatal?
Why would it be any different for them than the player?

Zombies don't care if you are a scavenger, a rock star or a bandit. You are just one thing to them, FOOD.

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If I'm interpreting you correctly.....

For those who felt I was trying to stifle conversation, I sincerely apologize. Discuss to your hearts content AND be assured that TFP is aware of the points you've brought up either because A) they are obvious, B) the work isn't finished, or C) thanks to your feedback

(Pick whichever scenario brings you the most joy.)
Well normally I would choose C but I am choosing A because Madmole calls me Captain Obvious. ;)

Strange how things don't seem obvious until I point them out.

 
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And some people would rob you of important choices like this by increasing inventory size and allowing you to have it all...
I'd like to have the choice as to how large the inventory size should be, and choose if I feel it robs me of an experience or not.

For those that deeply care about making hobson's choices over poop and bones they can keep the inventory size small.

For others of us who get no sense of pride or accomplishment out of making those decisions, we'd appreciate larger inventory space. Particularly in the late game, its just annoying.

Just make it a server config option.

 
I say "Yes, okay, and this is great!" in the Staff meetings and then return to my room where I teach math the way it has been for 1000's of years...
What God hath designed let not man common core!
You could let the students use calculators every now and again, the abacus was a good invention in its day but 5318008 just isn't the same with beads.

:-)

 
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Why would it be any different for them than the player?
Zombies don't care if you are a scavenger, a rock star or a bandit. You are just one thing to them, FOOD.

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from a story point you are correct. now. play a horde night. do you notice any of the zombies attacking the animals? I dont. they usually kill them, but not on horde night. they tend to ignore other ai and go for players. as I have stated; we don't know the interaction between these ai's yet, as nothing has been stated on it.

so, I asked faatal, who isn't aka sills, how is this being handled?

 
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