PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[meganoth]

Yeah unfortunately I have no power to explain again what it means. Even though I explained the definition in 2 sentences + gave 3 examples, they still do not understand it and come up with their own one. Whatever

Most people here understand you, they just don't accept your definition as the true one or that it is what they want the developers to concentrate on (considering that the developers time is a very scarce resource)

Accept that your goals are not everyone else's goals for this game

 

[cnconrad]

On RWG in a17:Random worlds in a17 onward will be fully "pregenerated". This means that the world generator will output the same data structure as navezgane but in a save folder. This means that any rwg world will load just as fast as navezgane going forward.

After fixing the vehicles and adding new ones it was determined that RWG's runtime code was just waaaay too slow. So now it instead gets all the data set up and exports it in a common format which allows for quicker chunk loading.

With the change to pregeneration and using the socket(tile) system over the entire world there will be some other changes as well. For the better. Over the next couple of days I will give a bit more detail on what else these changes to RWG mean for the average player, modders, and server owners. I think most will be very happy.

More to come...

A say good job here. Even a on top of the line machine it still was wonky.

If this is what I got from sacrificing the planes biome I'll accept it.

 

[Marinxar]

Just saw Madmole at the Lake by my house.

Ahhh, so he gone done some fishing. That's probably why we did not get a video last weekend.

 

[Bubo]

It was planned but as with anything, only so many hours in the day. A little birdie told me that the chat window got some love for a17 and that you'll have exactly what you're asking for..

 

[chill]

Spoiler

Wait...who plays this PvP?

99% of the population of the steam playerbase.

And would be more like 90% of this game's playerbase too, which would be 10x bigger with a little love towards PVP aspects.

Which is of course, suppressed quite successfully by low-intelligence high-free-time-and-willingness-to-make-10k-posts people like you on forums like this.

Was on discord discussing this with 15 other people of a popular 7 Days Server the other day and them all telling me about their forum posts being censored / not approved / moved / brigaded-by-pve-idiots-posting-off-topic and generally destroying their threads if they mention anything relating to PVP.

Glad to know that it's a common experience. Irony is you don't seem capable of realizing that shooting yourself in the foot; because with the influx of players / excitement / purchases that would come with some TLC paid to the aspects of the game that clearly offend you (PvP), the game as a whole would likely benefit to the extent of improving more the aspects you enjoy (PvE) than it would remaining in it's current state of popularity / niche...

And it would save you the time of making thousands of posts like this and abusing your mod powers... you know, if you don't just enjoy doing those things for the sake of doing those things. :cocksure:

Mod Note: This post contains insults. Please don't respond to the insults.

 

[The Gronk]

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[Bubo]

 

[Gnomaana]

99% of the population of the steam playerbase.
And would be more like 90% of this game's playerbase too, which would be 10x bigger with a little love towards PVP aspects.

Which is of course, suppressed quite successfully by low-intelligence high-free-time-and-willingness-to-make-10k-posts people like you on forums like this.

Was on discord discussing this with 15 other people of a popular 7 Days Server the other day and them all telling me about their forum posts being censored / not approved / moved / brigaded-by-pve-idiots-posting-off-topic and generally destroying their threads if they mention anything relating to PVP.

Glad to know that it's a common experience. Irony is you don't seem capable of realizing that shooting yourself in the foot; because with the influx of players / excitement / purchases that would come with some TLC paid to the aspects of the game that clearly offend you (PvP), the game as a whole would likely benefit to the extent of improving more the aspects you enjoy (PvE) than it would remaining in it's current state of popularity / niche...

And it would save you the time of making thousands of posts like this and abusing your mod powers... you know, if you don't just enjoy doing those things for the sake of doing those things. :cocksure:

a) Take a pill and calm down. It was a joke.

b) Bull%&t statistics are just that, bulls%&t. 99% of ANY player base is not PVP. It has NEVER been PVP. I have played on every PVP server for every MMO in the last 20 years. Starting with Ultima Online. They ALL end up concentrating on PVE because that is where the money is ALWAYS at. If 99% of the player base was PVP that wouldn't be the case. They are in it to make money after all.

c) I am on this Forum every day and have never see the type of stuff on PVP threads you just described. Which forums were you referring to?

 

[beerfly]

Some fire mush be estinguished. I think the PvP dude and other of his teammates don`t get the full picture and plans, so either its lack of info or just don`t read enough here which is same. Steam chats are unbelievbly unreliable to compare with this forums.

 

[SnowDog1942]

99% of the population of the steam playerbase.
And would be more like 90% of this game's playerbase too, which would be 10x bigger with a little love towards PVP aspects.

#fakenews #fakestats

 

[Snowydeath]

a) Take a pill and calm down. It was a joke.
b) Bull%&t statistics are just that, bulls%&t. 99% of ANY player base is not PVP. It has NEVER been PVP. I have played on every PVP server for every MMO in the last 20 years. Starting with Ultima Online. They ALL end up concentrating on PVE because that is where the money is ALWAYS at. If 99% of the player base was PVP that wouldn't be the case. They are in it to make money after all.

c) I am on this Forum every day and have never see the type of stuff on PVP threads you just described. Which forums were you referring to?

Clearly the Forums to which he refers are on the planet PvP from all the PvPians. Lowly PvE cretins like us would never truly understand that the ways of PvP are the only ones known to humanity! We are destined to be at the bottom of the totem pole with our cowardice! Those of us (who actually make up a large portion of gamers) who like to PvE in a game made almost strictly for that activity will never understand how PvP should work and would NEVER!!! Be able to understand how the world truly works. I don't understand how such a high being could waste time lecturing us. The lowest of scum PvEers! About the ways of the one true way to play videogames regardless of the games true intent. PvP!!!! /s

Seriously though. PvP isn't something a lot of people want in this game right now. We want the core game and all those sweet extras to be added in and work as well as they can with the systems TFP put in place. PvP is more of a side thought for the devs (I think) and honestly. PvP kinda goes hand in hand with the ability to kill AI. For example, Dark souls was completely balanced around PvE yet people make it work and have fun running around PvPing. So why can't the same be done here? There's no difference... Oh. A human can wear armor and have higher skills making them harder to kill. That's all... You can work around this by yourself being skilled or having higher skills. So I do not understand "chill" at all.

 

[Cazmyr]

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This is the first post of yours I have seen, but it is not hard to tell why your rep status is what it is.

On a side note I would like to make a request that this trend of telling people what they can and can't understand should stop, because it is pretentious, ego driven, narcissistic drivel.

 

[Janna3921]

Are there people arguing AGAINST adding end game goals? Like for real, people are saying things like "make up your own end game" or "play perma death and thats end game".

You realize what was initially asked for was content BEYOND the normal content you can work for after you have completed all the basics you need to do in game to just survive. NOT a "Game over" screen. How ANYONE can be against THAT concept is beyond me.

This forum boggles my mind sometimes.

Boggles my mind too. I go with the make up your own until/if the fun pimps create a "end game". My son and I argued over the end game concept. To him, sandbox games Never have a end game, it stops when you chose to stop playing but you can't create one because you don't have a final section.

I don't agree, until the game is finished, we can pick our own end game. We can state that when we do such and such the game ends and we can start a new game. What is more important to me is a back story, the what happened, when did it happen, why did it happen, where did it start; just in Arizona or was it also in other places such as New York, Washington D.C.? Don't really have to know who started it.

 

[Tildja]

Friend chat/ Party Chat/ Global Chat modes added to chat window 5/1/

Thank you, thank you, thank you... <3 <3 <3

 

[Roland]

99% of the population of the steam playerbase.
And would be more like 90% of this game's playerbase too, which would be 10x bigger with a little love towards PVP aspects.

Which is of course, suppressed quite successfully by low-intelligence high-free-time-and-willingness-to-make-10k-posts people like you on forums like this.

Was on discord discussing this with 15 other people of a popular 7 Days Server the other day and them all telling me about their forum posts being censored / not approved / moved / brigaded-by-pve-idiots-posting-off-topic and generally destroying their threads if they mention anything relating to PVP.

Glad to know that it's a common experience. Irony is you don't seem capable of realizing that shooting yourself in the foot; because with the influx of players / excitement / purchases that would come with some TLC paid to the aspects of the game that clearly offend you (PvP), the game as a whole would likely benefit to the extent of improving more the aspects you enjoy (PvE) than it would remaining in it's current state of popularity / niche...

And it would save you the time of making thousands of posts like this and abusing your mod powers... you know, if you don't just enjoy doing those things for the sake of doing those things. :cocksure:

Low-intelligence huh? I'm definitely improving in the eyes of you folks...

I think it is simply in the nature of some PvP enthusiasts to be aggressive and insulting in their posts. It's like you're playing PvP on the forums or something. When the mod team censors/ doesn't approve/ or moves posts by PvPers it is only because they do what you just did here. Simply because you don't agree with what you perceive my stance to be you come right out and call me "low intelligence" and a "pve-idiot" not to mention several other less outright but still insinuating insults in the rest of your post. I wonder if you are even aware that you are posting in this manner or if it's just the way you typically communicate and you don't really consciously think about it.

Regardless, posting in the manner you are is against the rules and when I see anyone name-calling and being rude and insulting to the developers or other forum users those posts go bye-bye. Such ad hominem attacks are usually a sure sign of a weak argument anyway since the facts you have at your disposal aren't compelling enough to persuade opposing views to your side---so you have to resort to personal attacks to make yourself feel more secure.

If I ignore all your insults and just speak to the content of your point then I should tell you that the developers are perfectly aware of the money and popularity available via PvP-- particularly the recent craze in the style of Fortnite and PUBG. That is not the type of game they want on purpose and they are having tremendous success keeping their title in the niche they have chosen. Maybe someday they will turn out a Battle Royale mode but they don't plan on ever having the main game be that way. Now please understand that this is not because I am using my vast number of posts or moderator powers to suppress PvP. It is 100% the development team's own goals since the very beginning. That this game used to be more friendly for PvP is simply because it used to be more of an unrealized framework that could be anything. But as they have continued development and put in features that support their vision it has put more and more of a crimp on PvP gameplay and that has zero to do with this or any other forum.

Now please adjust your attitude to align with your username so that I or one of the other moderators doesn't have to ban you for being insulting and then you won't have to go to your other forums and lie to your mates about being banned because you brought up PvP....

 

[SnowDog1942]

Low-intelligence huh? I'm definitely improving in the eyes of you folks...
I think it is simply in the nature of some PvP enthusiasts to be aggressive and insulting in their posts. It's like you're playing PvP on the forums or something. When the mod team censors/ doesn't approve/ or moves posts by PvPers it is only because they do what you just did here. Simply because you don't agree with what you perceive my stance to be you come right out and call me "low intelligence" and a "pve-idiot" not to mention several other less outright but still insinuating insults in the rest of your post. I wonder if you are even aware that you are posting in this manner or if it's just the way you typically communicate and you don't really consciously think about it.

Regardless, posting in the manner you are is against the rules and when I see anyone name-calling and being rude and insulting to the developers or other forum users those posts go bye-bye. Such ad hominem attacks are usually a sure sign of a weak argument anyway since the facts you have at your disposal aren't compelling enough to persuade opposing views to your side---so you have to resort to personal attacks to make yourself feel more secure.

If I ignore all your insults and just speak to the content of your point then I should tell you that the developers are perfectly aware of the money and popularity available via PvP-- particularly the recent craze in the style of Fortnite and PUBG. That is not the type of game they want on purpose and they are having tremendous success keeping their title in the niche they have chosen. Maybe someday they will turn out a Battle Royale mode but they don't plan on ever having the main game be that way. Now please understand that this is not because I am using my vast number of posts or moderator powers to suppress PvP. It is 100% the development team's own goals since the very beginning. That this game used to be more friendly for PvP is simply because it used to be more of an unrealized framework that could be anything. But as they have continued development and put in features that support their vision it has put more and more of a crimp on PvP gameplay and that has zero to do with this or any other forum.

Now please adjust your attitude to align with your username so that I or one of the other moderators doesn't have to ban you for being insulting and then you won't have to go to your other forums and lie to your mates about being banned because you brought up PvP....

Roland just kicked him in the PvPness

 

[art1336]

99% of the population of the steam playerbase.
And would be more like 90% of this game's playerbase too, which would be 10x bigger with a little love towards PVP aspects.

Which is of course, suppressed quite successfully by low-intelligence high-free-time-and-willingness-to-make-10k-posts people like you on forums like this.

Was on discord discussing this with 15 other people of a popular 7 Days Server the other day and them all telling me about their forum posts being censored / not approved / moved / brigaded-by-pve-idiots-posting-off-topic and generally destroying their threads if they mention anything relating to PVP.

Glad to know that it's a common experience. Irony is you don't seem capable of realizing that shooting yourself in the foot; because with the influx of players / excitement / purchases that would come with some TLC paid to the aspects of the game that clearly offend you (PvP), the game as a whole would likely benefit to the extent of improving more the aspects you enjoy (PvE) than it would remaining in it's current state of popularity / niche...

And it would save you the time of making thousands of posts like this and abusing your mod powers... you know, if you don't just enjoy doing those things for the sake of doing those things. :cocksure:

Umm, does this kid realize that Roland literally gets paid to post ten thousand comments? I mean, he is the forum moderator, so that's in his job description.

Sheesh, talk about [don't stoop]

 

[The Gronk]

I think the reason pvp-ers think that everyone else pvp's is that they turn up to a server and immediately shoot someone. This usually makes the rest of the players turn on that individual and kill them when the opportunity arises.

They're mistaking p-v-you for p-v-p.

 

[Roland]

Let's get back to inanity until a dev posts again.

 

[Marinxar]

Yeah I know, and play with, several serious PvP guys, and they are not all that bad. Yes, they are more competitive in nature, but most PvP'rs I know, knows where the line is between competitive and rude .