PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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Aldranon
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I think it was a dice and paper game called Rune Quest, where your armor could withstand a threshold of damage before the player took the surplus damage. Each area had its own damage resistance and difficulty to hit depending on your weapon, if memory serves.
Smart and complex is sometimes best.
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I always have arugment with my brother if 7DTD can perform better, and I always told him that code optimization is needed as I was pretty sure your code is not optimize. You just confirm it. I am happy that I was right. I am more happy that game is getting streamline and will perform little better then before.On stutteringre A16, stutters were caused by a couple known things and possibly unknowns.
The first known was that the UFPS camera was updating in the wrong order sometimes causing what would look like FPS lag while your FPS would still say 60fps. That one I fixed early on in A17 development so that will no longer be an issue. This would happen when the CPU's physics update would get out of sync with the game update so it was hard to track at first. I tried some random things until I stumbled onto something that kept those calculations in order.
The other known is Garbage Collection. Prior to A17 we made a LOT of garbage and created a lot of new structs and method level vars during run time. We have now internally all started pushing vars to class members instead of making them in the methods. While it adds a tiny bit more to ram when creating the class initially, it doesn't need to destroy it every time the method is ran. The new effect system that runs buffs, progression, items, and events uses this setup so that processing a lot in one frame won't make a crapton of garbage from all those tiny bits adding up.
There are probably more situations and such that have stuttering but those are the main ones I know about and that we've found and started working on reducing.
For anyone curious, below are my system stats and I never have issues with any Unity based games, or any games for that matter.
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3
Processor: AMD FX-6300 Six Core Processor (6 CPU) ~3.5GHz
Memory: 20480MB (yeah, I had an extra 4GB ram stick laying around lol)
Video Card: GeForce GTX 1060 3GB
Hard Drives: 512G SSD (2 of them), 2TB HDD
I have windows installed on one of my SSDs and I keep all my games installed on the other.
Been a programmer I always tell my friends, the less you right is better your code works.
Roland
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GURPS as well. Generic and universal is sometimes best.I think it was a dice and paper game called Rune Quest, where your armor could withstand a threshold of damage before the player took the surplus damage. Each area had its own damage resistance and difficulty to hit depending on your weapon, if memory serves.
Smart and complex is sometimes best.
Daggett Beaver
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I have to disagree here - gameplay-wise there is usually a huge difference between Tankiness from HP or Tankiness from resistances. Let's take the example of 200 HP and no damage reduction vs. 100 HP and 50% damage reduction. One major difference is the efficiency of healing items - if healing items don't restore a percentage of your health, but an absolute number of HP (as it is in 7d2d), damage reduction makes healing items and health gain from food so much more efficient.
The next point is that damage reductions can be partial, while HP always is general. In other words: HP protect you from every source of damage, while damage reduction usually doesn't. In 7d2d we have different protection areas (blunt, slashing, radiation) and some other damage forms might not be reduced at all (falling damage, suffocating...). Having 250 HP is great in the current built of 7d2d if you want to get some really deep underwater airdrops / treasure hunts - because even after you run out of air, you survive for a long time. Damage reduction would not help here.
So yeah, i'm all the way for damage reductions - i think a game like 7d2d shouldn't cater to the absolute casual game, the argument that "easier is better" thus isn't to fitting for this game. Sure, it shouldn't be overly complex as well, but it doesn't have to be to easy - believe me, the "this game is to complicated for me" guy is not the player base you are aiming for with this game...
As to @Aldranon, yes, there are lots and lots of interesting armor systems. A percentage resistance ("X% of all damage is ignored") and an absolute resistance ("The first x points of damage are ignored") are the easiest and most common, a percentage fail chance ("Each attack has x% chance to not inflict any damage") is rarer, and there are a lot of systems in-between.
Thanks for the update on this because people have been going on and on about this issue for months on end.On stuttering
The first known was that the UFPS camera was updating in the wrong order sometimes causing what would look like FPS lag while your FPS would still say 60fps. That one I fixed early on in A17 development so that will no longer be an issue. This would happen when the CPU's physics update would get out of sync with the game update so it was hard to track at first. I tried some random things until I stumbled onto something that kept those calculations in order.
The other known is Garbage Collection. Prior to A17 we made a LOT of garbage and created a lot of new structs and method level vars during run time. We have now internally all started pushing vars to class members instead of making them in the methods. While it adds a tiny bit more to ram when creating the class initially, it doesn't need to destroy it every time the method is ran. The new effect system that runs buffs, progression, items, and events uses this setup so that processing a lot in one frame won't make a crapton of garbage from all those tiny bits adding up.
There are probably more situations and such that have stuttering but those are the main ones I know about and that we've found and started working on reducing.
For anyone curious, below are my system stats and I never have issues with any Unity based games, or any games for that matter.
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3
Processor: AMD FX-6300 Six Core Processor (6 CPU) ~3.5GHz
Memory: 20480MB (yeah, I had an extra 4GB ram stick laying around lol)
Video Card: GeForce GTX 1060 3GB
Hard Drives: 512G SSD (2 of them), 2TB HDD
I have windows installed on one of my SSDs and I keep all my games installed on the other.
There you have it folks the micro-stuttering problem is being fixed, @Roland could you please add this to the second post text so people can stop complaining about it YAY!
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Don't worry Kinyajuu has got us covered, he will hunt these issues down and destroy them with extreme prejudice. lol
p.s. I always had faith that the graphics stuttering and lag problems would get fixed, I knew it was just a matter of them making it a priority to find the problems and fix them, we <3 you Kinyajuu!
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Demonoid74
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lol , I am paid to run table top RPG game sessions out here in Vegas and still do a monthly GURPS game...since I still have all my old RPG books...over the years we have tried different ones , but currently we are running a long standing GURPS Western+Horror campaign...Horror , Western , Supers have always been the favorite and different combinations of those 3 have always been interesting...GURPS as well. Generic and universal is sometimes best.
Scyris
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Sounds like Fallout 1 and 2. If the dmg was less than your DT it'd usually miss entirely. You were god in that game once you got power armor as most things became unable to land a hit on you unless they got REALLY lucky. New vegas also uses a DT system but it allows a bit of bleedthru 25% of the damage you would have taken if it was more than your DT.I think it was a dice and paper game called Rune Quest, where your armor could withstand a threshold of damage before the player took the surplus damage. Each area had its own damage resistance and difficulty to hit depending on your weapon, if memory serves.
Smart and complex is sometimes best.
I recall Madmole mentioning "parts runners" from each trade faction would be out and about delivering parts to traders and that you may be able to track them down and trade with them on the spot without having to go to a actual trading outpost.
I hope this is going to be implemented because it would add some anticipation and excitement to the game wondering what new shiny things will be available to purchase.
I hope this is going to be implemented because it would add some anticipation and excitement to the game wondering what new shiny things will be available to purchase.
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