PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[Qyzer]

Are the wife and I the only players who started the skyscrapers from the top down? We built ladders to the top and then worked our way to the ground floor. That's pretty much how the wife and I handle most POIs.

Though it's obvious, in some cases, things are not designed with that in mind and we would generally appreciate there not being 10K damage blocks in weird places just to prevent it, we have generally been able to approach the POIs from odd directions so far. As long as the dungeon POIs still allow this I'm sure we will be happy.

 

[Zadwanaa]

By forced i meant putting pois with intended paths in an open game, they dont fit together.

I did not mean the path was forced onto me

Please look up the definition of forced, i think thats what you're missing.

there are no obligations, nothing limiting or blocking you in regards of those houses. you can, as you can in any open world game, do as you please to the house. break it down, cheese your way through, etc.

there's a path through the house, if that upsets you... does it upset you there are roads in towns? how dare they have cities with paths going all over the city! Blasphemous!

 

[Crater Creator]

if you don't like it don't do it.

Those eight words are lazy, dismissive, apathetic, and generic enough to invoke in response to any perceived problem. It’s getting old. At least other empty statements like “It is what it is,” and “Meh” don’t tell people what to do.

 

[SnowDog1942]

there's a path through the house, if that upsets you... does it upset you there are roads in towns? how dare they have cities with paths going all over the city! Blasphemous!

Roads are Towns are randomized in an amazing way. I dare u to say the same about dungeon POIs

 

[JaxTeller718]

Those eight words are lazy, dismissive, apathetic, and generic enough to invoke in response to any perceived problem. It’s getting old. At least other empty statements like “It is what it is,” and “Meh” don’t tell people what to do.

It IS the best way to take a side without taking one. The problem with using a statement like that (in my opinion) is that if you apply it to any situation in gaming then you don't get any real progress towards any goal. I mean, I agree with it because sure if you don't like it then DON'T do it, but then you are confronted with the issue of never introducing any type of challenge to please EVERYONE.

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Roads are Towns are randomized in am amazing way. I dare u to say the same about dungeon POIs

You MAY want to look up the word "amazing" too while you are there looking up "forced" Good yes, but not amazing....yet.

 

[Exxodous]

I simply can not see the complaint here.

Some people are only happy if they are complaining. It's as simple as that.

 

[SnowDog1942]

It IS the best way to take a side without taking one. The problem with using a statement like that (in my opinion) is that if you apply it to any situation in gaming then you don't get any real progress towards any goal. I mean, I agree with it because sure if you don't like it then DON'T do it, but then you are confronted with the issue of never introducing any type of challenge to please EVERYONE.
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You MAY want to look up the word "amazing" too while you are there looking up "forced" Good yes, but not amazing....yet.

Best random towns and cities ive seen in any game, amazing. Lack of POIs of course but still... amazing

 

[Roland]

Best random towns and cities ive seen in any game, amazing. Lack of POIs of course but still... amazing

There are an estimated 53 or 54 unique level designed POI's coming to A17 with randomized containers and sleepers. I think that it will take a bit of time to memorize all of those.

 

[sillls]

To Roland and TFP's

I wanted to ask. Are all the house going to be changed into dungeon crawls?

If so this would not make since. Because most people would not have a chance to stockpile a house and build many rooms, set up traps and such.

Plus some people would only have simple dwellings.

I would just think that it would be better if (some) of the house were pre-Alpha 17.

Just something to think about.

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There are an estimated 53 or 54 unique level designed POI's coming to A17 with randomized containers and sleepers. I think that it will take a bit of time to memorize all of those.

Wow. That sounds great!

 

[toores]

Some people want POI even more randomised like every POI being glued together from parts of random rooms. I know.
That, however is super-unlikely to happen. Sounds nice in theory but may actually make POI more generic because you have to balance parts to be largely similar.

It's also a huge effort creating every single POI 3 or 4 times in total.

What y'all are more likely to get: Mod support to plug in tons of user-prefabs... that hopefully meet similar quality standards.

I’m sure we’ll have collections of quality POIs by modders. The whole game is built to encourage modders input.

 

[Roland]

To Roland and TFP's
I wanted to ask. Are all the house going to be changed into dungeon crawls?

no.

If so this would not make since. Because most people would not have a chance to stockpile a house and build many rooms, set up traps and such.
Plus some people would only have simple dwellings.

I would just think that it would be better if (some) of the house were pre-Alpha 17.

exactly.

Just something to think about.

already did.

 

[SnowDog1942]

There are an estimated 53 or 54 unique level designed POI's coming to A17 with randomized containers and sleepers. I think that it will take a bit of time to memorize all of those.

Thats impressive actually -Thanks for the info. Will there be new regular POIs as well or is this Alpha all dungeon style?

Im a bit sad that we will lose some regular pois because it sounds like a conversion, not new.

 

[Guppycur]

Those eight words are lazy, dismissive, apathetic, and generic enough to invoke in response to any perceived problem. It’s getting old. At least other empty statements like “It is what it is,” and “Meh” don’t tell people what to do.

I'm not telling people what to do, I'm saying they don't have to do it.

Can't have the argument work for ONE thing (skyscraper parkouring) and not another (living underground). It just doesn't work that way.

 

[SnowDog1942]

I'm not telling people what to do, I'm saying they don't have to do it.
Can't have the argument work for ONE thing (skyscraper parkouring) and not another (living underground). It just doesn't work that way.

If you dont like leveled loot then dont loot

Tee-hee-he

 

[Archetype]

I built a pc just for this game

Hey Jester56 , can you share you pc specs?

 

[meganoth]

there's a path through the house, if that upsets you... does it upset you there are roads in towns? how dare they have cities with paths going all over the city! Blasphemous!

For me the skyscrapers are a bit underwhelming because there is only ONE path. Notice the difference to paths in a city, i.e. many paths leading to the same place.

This isn't noticable in small houses most of the time, but in the skyscrapers I see three disadvantages:

1) No possibility to get lost. You want to get out? Just go back, you are on a one-way street. Luckily there are a few dead-ends, maybe there should be more. I would prefer real labyrinths, and real labyrinths have lots of dead-ends and loops (to defeat right-hand rule)

2) Loss of immersion. The longer the funnel, the more you are aware of the artificiality of it.

3) As long as there are no dead ends you forgot to clear or respawns happening the chance of zombies in your back is pretty minimal. Longer dead-end and especially more loops please.

 

[Aldranon]

So, I just returned from a Russian retirement party...

Most there were probably smarter than me.

About a third traveled as much as me.

Maybe my English was a little better than some.

But the take away was they agreed that I had a "Infectious Happy" going on.

So, I will no long reply to anything that might damage my happy... Which is about half the comments. For the sake of international relations... and world peace... God Bless America.

 

[Roland]

Thats impressive actually -Thanks for the info. Will there be new regular POIs as well or is this Alpha all dungeon style?

Not sure. There may be some new ones not designed as dungeons.

Im a bit sad that we will lose some regular pois because it sounds like a conversion, not new.

Did a few too many of your open-faced sandwiches land buttered side down when you were a kid? 54 new POIs will be added to the pool. Navezgane will most likely end up converted since it’s a static world but RandomGen will be random.

 

[Archetype]

So, I just returned from a Russian retirement party...
Most there were probably smarter than me.

About a third traveled as much as me.

Maybe my English was a little better than some.

But the take away was they agreed that I had a "Infectious Happy" going on.

So, I will no long reply to anything that might damage my happy... Which is about half the comments. For the sake of international relations... and world peace... God Bless America.

Positiveness is always good. Replay to every comment with smile

Ps: season pass will include more cheerleader skins!

 

[SnowDog1942]

Did a few too many of your open-faced sandwiches land buttered side down when you were a kid? .

LOL!

It happened as recently as last week. Fresh wounds man