PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[Maharin]

See the confusion?

Yes, but I don't see the need for the anger that people are expressing. I said he (MM) was joking, too. Many people here, clearly, cannot take a joke.

MadMole, Gazz, and Roland are three distinct people. TFP hasn't put out an "official" post about A17 like they have on release of previous alphas because, catch this, it hasn't been released yet. People, whomever they are, need to stop thinking EVERYTHING someone at TFP says should automatically be considered official. It's not. This is a forum full of discussions that the devs just happen to contribute to occasionally. People scrutinizing every single word that gets said or written are missing the point entirely.

TFP people aren't elected. We didn't hire them and they don't represent us. This place here isn't a democracy nor are we ruled by TFP in any sense of the word. I don't get why some people feel they have any right to make demands of TFP.

 

[Guppycur]

Let me help you see things better. Hopefully that helps new people too.
As for people who act like they deserve something, my memory works well past two weeks. I remember when MM called some people in the forums that were flaming him "a bunch of jerks". That was about when showing people new stuff and talking ad hoc started to end.

I'm actually more confused by this. =)

What does something that happened "more than 2 weeks ago" with SOME people have to do with current people asking for clarification?

I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative, I'm trying to understand your perspective. You've been around the block the same amount of time I have, and arguably just as active, so it's odd to me we don't see the same thing here.

 

[Gazz]

Even IF something had been said officially... this is development.

Things change all the time.

Some features get delayed, some replaced by other systems or items, others dropped entirely.

If this was an off-the-shelf zombie shooter with static levels we could tell you with great certainty how exactly the released game would look.

But then I wouldn't be here because I have enough of those in my library already. LOL

And what IF A17 were a beta? Technically that would mean a content lock but TFP are more flexible than that so at best it would be an alpheta.

Then there is the issue that there is no specific time frame for how long an alpheta can last. It could be B17, B18, B19 and so on.

This is all fighting over one word that doesn't even mean anything special here! This is also why no one is seeing this as a problem that needs to be adressed...

 

[Guppycur]

Yes, but I don't see the need for the anger that people are expressing. I said he (MM) was joking, too. Many people here, clearly, cannot take a joke.
MadMole, Gazz, and Roland are three distinct people. TFP hasn't put out an "official" post about A17 like they have on release of previous alphas because, catch this, it hasn't been released yet. People, whomever they are, need to stop thinking EVERYTHING someone at TFP says should automatically be considered official. It's not. This is a forum full of discussions that the devs just happen to contribute to occasionally. People scrutinizing every single word that gets said or written are missing the point entirely.

TFP people aren't elected. We didn't hire them and they don't represent us. This place here isn't a democracy nor are we ruled by TFP in any sense of the word. I don't get why some people feel they have any right to make demands of TFP.

Oh, are you referring to Jax's post? 'cause that would make sense, but he's already addressed that, so... ?

 

[Maharin]

Even IF something had been said officially... this is development.Things change all the time.

Some features get delayed, some replaced by other systems or items, others dropped entirely.

If this was an off-the-shelf zombie shooter with static levels we could tell you with great certainty how exactly the released game would look.

But then I wouldn't be here because I have enough of those in my library already. LOL

And I think that is where the whole early access thing confuses people. Without it we'd all be buying 7DTD after release and either be happy with it or not with much ado about nothing. But for some reason buying the game early and getting to be involved in (or at least observing) the creative process leads some people to expecting they should somehow be in control of that process. /boggle

 

[toores]

People will be snarky and entitled, it's the internet, what can you do?! Much of it has been ignored and it should be. Don't let them ruin the party for everybody.

EDIT:

What has to forum come to, why are we discussing this? This is stupid...

 

[unholyjoe]

So being a lefty myself I appreciate this. can we get left handed guns and minibikes with right side driving for the UK maps?

Minibike is already random to do circles counter-clock-wise almost as perfect as a zombie circle.

but on a more serious note

apparently people are not paying attention while in game... i recently found a clue that MM has met an unfortunate turn for the worst whilst eating beard...

https://i.imgur.com/94XpV51.jpg

 

[Aldranon]

I'm actually more confused by this. =)
What does something that happened "more than 2 weeks ago" with SOME people have to do with current people asking for clarification?

I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative, I'm trying to understand your perspective. You've been around the block the same amount of time I have, and arguably just as active, so it's odd to me we don't see the same thing here.

So Roland said something: Roland is a (beloved?) Forum Moderator that is not in the loop with day to day development.

Gazz tried to clarify A17's status and at the end just flat out said it was still Alpha: Gazz is a TFP Dev and is informed about the current status of A17.

Hopefully this helps everyone.

Edit: As to seeing the same: I see what A17 is called is really, really pointless and I am getting annoyed with the trivial mindedness of some people.

They can call it alpha and call it gold the next update,

or call it beta and update it ten more times in beta.

 

[Maharin]

Oh, are you referring to Jax's post? 'cause that would make sense, but he's already addressed that, so... ?

I honestly can't keep up with everything everyone is saying. Yes, I was generalizing, and that can be a bad thing, but I sensed hostility over MM's "beta post" from several people. No, I'm not going back to name names.

Maybe MM and Gazz (and Roland to a much lesser extent) should start handing out grains of salt with their posts?

 

[Gamida]

There is an alternate dimension where that thing would come out out of your bottom...and be talking (screaming) as you flushed....

...so at best it would be an alpheta.

For some reason that combination of words made me think of Jethrena Bodine....and shudder....

 

[Maharin]

People will be snarky and entitled, it's the internet, what can you do?! Much of it has been ignored and it should be. Don't let them ruin the party for everybody.
EDIT:

What has to forum come to, why are we discussing this? This is stupid...

Spoiler alert: this won't be the last stupid conversation on this forum.

 

[Guppycur]

Even IF something had been said officially... this is development.Things change all the time.

Some features get delayed, some replaced by other systems or items, others dropped entirely.

If this was an off-the-shelf zombie shooter with static levels we could tell you with great certainty how exactly the released game would look.

But then I wouldn't be here because I have enough of those in my library already. LOL

And what IF A17 were a beta? Technically that would mean a content lock but TFP are more flexible than that so at best it would be an alpheta.

Then there is the issue that there is no specific time frame for how long an alpheta can last. It could be B17, B18, B19 and so on.

This is all fighting over one word that doesn't even mean anything special here! This is also why no one is seeing this as a problem that needs to be adressed...

Yeh, that part I don't get either; but nevertheless, the confusion is there and the people are speaking their minds, which... is the entire point of a forum, Maharin. =)

(still not seeing the people who are expecting to be in control of the process...)

 

[Gazz]

for some reason buying the game early and getting to be involved in (or at least observing) the creative process leads some people to expecting they should somehow be in control of that process. /boggle

They are in control of how they choose to feel about it.

On a serious note, though, quite a lot of user feedback (and bug reports/fixes!) have come by way of the forum so this is definitely not a one way road.

 

[Maharin]

And what IF A17 were a beta? Technically that would mean a content lock but TFP are more flexible than that so at best it would be an alpheta.Then there is the issue that there is no specific time frame for how long an alpheta can last. It could be B17, B18, B19 and so on.

This is all fighting over one word that doesn't even mean anything special here! This is also why no one is seeing this as a problem that needs to be adressed...

Could you add Alpheta Cheese as a food item to the game? Please?

 

[Gazz]

Maybe MM and Gazz (and Roland to a much lesser extent) should start handing out grains of salt with their posts?

I'll have to ask for a Bucket Of Salt emote.

 

[Guppycur]

I'll have to ask for a Bucket Of Salt emote.

Joking aside, I think a lot of us are so comfortable with one another that it's easy for US to see the sarcarsm, salt, jokes, whatever it is you want to call it, so we're more comfortable being sarcastic, funny, and salty, which doesn't help the "newer" members.

<shrug>

Guppy's 2 cents.

 

[Maharin]

Yeh, that part I don't get either; but nevertheless, the confusion is there and the people are speaking their minds, which... is the entire point of a forum, Maharin. =)

Whatever. Not like you sit back and assert your opinion as fact or anything.

(still not seeing the people who are expecting to be in control of the process...)

Have you even read the threads on underground bases?

 

[Gazz]

Around here Guppy's opinion is lore, not fact. =)

 

[Guppycur]

Whatever. Not like you sit back and assert your opinion as fact or anything.
Have you even read the threads on underground bases?

I make it a point to be as non committal to an issue as I can possibly be, unless it's an issue I'm absolutely committed to, and even then I reserve the right to do a 180. lol

re: controllers

Those people are arguing against each other, not against the pimps. I do see that as a distinct difference. Don't get me wrong, there have been a fair share of people who think they "know better" than the devs and who think the game project management should be run a specific way (not to be confused by those who think it's not being run well), but those guys are few and far between.

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Around here Guppy's opinion is lore, not fact. =)

I am always right though, even when I'm wrong, so there's that. =)

 

[Maharin]

Joking aside, I think a lot of us are so comfortable with one another that it's easy for US to see the sarcarsm, salt, jokes, whatever it is you want to call it, so we're more comfortable being sarcastic, funny, and salty, which doesn't help the "newer" members.
<shrug>

Guppy's 2 cents.

Agreed... not being thinned skinned should be a prerequisite to using the Internet. It would be a much more civil place... well, less hostile at least.