PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[Aldranon]

You can type whatever you want.

But I can agree with the last thing you said, because if people are consistently caustic and snarky to someone, the relationship will end.

 

[DaVegaNL]

So you're asking for MM to stop posting on the forum or making videos?That's pretty much the only way to turn him into a cagey and sensitive corporate spokesperson. LOL

It's that or the forum users learning to control their feelings - but that implies growing up and we would never ask such a horrible thing of you guys.

No, I'm not asking him to stop posting or making videos. Nice strawmen you got there.

Saying that I'm not grown up. Nice personal attack you got there.

Gazz

Fun Pimps Staff

Hmm..

I'm just asking that if he makes such far-reaching and impactful statements, that there's at least a little bit of clarification from his side. And not a week of silence, after which another person has to come in and explain what he probably meant. That has nothing to do with feelings, but has everything to do with clear and concise communication. Wasn't that his new approach to the forum? Drastically reduced, but clear communication?

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I think you may be confusing their frustration with immaturity.
The frustration comes from once having a dev that actively communicated with the community, sparking discussions and keeping things lively, to a dev team that does not. Sure, Faatal posted some cool Pics and answered some questions outside of a17, and you're still kicking around, but mm's little social experiment isn't working, at least from a forum community relations stand point, which is his prerogative, but you can't reasonably expect it to go over well here.

This is the forum community, and between #streamergate, Twitter announcements coming first and now the shut off of communication, the forum members, the guys who feel like they've been with the development from the start, are feeling left out.

Right, wrong, or inevitable, it's not immaturity.

Hear, bleeping hear!

 

[Maharin]

 

[DeadMole]

So you're asking for MM to stop posting on the forum or making videos?

On the contrary, we want more updates like before.

That's pretty much the only way to turn him into a cagey and sensitive corporate spokesperson. LOL

That is true though, and we most certainly wouldn't want that.

The frustration comes from once having a dev that actively communicated with the community, sparking discussions and keeping things lively, to a dev team that does not.

My thoughts exactly, we just miss MM in general haha.

-Spending time shooting the breeze with people on the forum without causing a real improvement to the game, then thinking that's some kind of contribution is definitely an immature viewpoint.

Well, I think something good can come out from all of it in the end. Think of it as ordered chaos if you will.

But I can agree with the last thing you said, because if people are consistently caustic and snarky to someone, the relationship will end.

I'm not looking for relationships, only trying to get my point across no matter how difficult it may be. It all had to end at some point indeed, and snark is a way to achieve that actually.

 

[Aldranon]

Well, I think something good can come out from all of it in the end. Think of it as ordered chaos if you will.

Maybe some of the ideas get TFP to think up new or similar ideas. The point was some people seem to feel entitled because they make posts.

This #betagate is a perfect example. Even after Gazz clarified what MM said by explaining some things were starting to look like a beta would. People still want MM to say the same thing??

Its a sad comedy here sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised if Gazz just stops posting or reduces his posts to official business. The same people will complain that Gazz no longer posts.

 

[DeadMole]

This #betagate is a perfect example. Even after Gazz clarified what MM said by explaining some things were starting to look like a beta would. People still want MM to say the same thing??

Well apparently it needed more clarifying for some people. Sometimes it takes some clarifying and then some more and then repeat something you previously stated in a different manner and then stress something again, again and again... until the message fiiinallyyy makes it through. *Phew*

 

[Maharin]

Maybe some of the ideas get TFP to think up new or similar ideas. The point was some people seem to feel entitled because they make posts.
This #betagate is a perfect example. Even after Gazz clarified what MM said by explaining some things were starting to look like a beta would. People still want MM to say the same thing??

Its a sad comedy here sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised if Gazz just stops posting or reduces is posts to official business. The same people will complain that Gazz no longer posts.

Thank you for that. I was going to post something to the effect "just because you have a voice doesn't mean others must listen". Not very nice of me, but I just don't get some of the personalities here.

7DTD could have been made in a vacuum. Instead TFP gave us a place to talk and discuss things and they even listen from time to time. They're building a game that can be nearly infinitely modified. But some of us here are never satisfied. The aura of entitlement sickens me, truth be told.

I've long since got my money's worth from 7DTD. I play it more than probably all the games I've ever purchased combined (on Steam at least... my C64 days consumed more time than I care to admit). I've been involved, at many levels, with many betas of big game titles and none of them even made me feel at all like I was truly contributing. Here, at least, if you post something intelligent you get listened to and maybe even change happens because of it. I don't need the affirmation to feel I have something to contribute but it does feel good to know that this isn't just conversations between players going nowhere.

EDIT: corrected feeling to feel... oops.

 

[DeadMole]

Instead TFP gave us a place to talk and discuss things and they even listen from time to time.

It's always good to have the conversation going and if some members pick on one thing or another and want to expand then I think it's for the better in the end, like I was saying.

The aura of entitlement sickens me, truth be told.

No entilement from my part whatsoever, I'm not expecting everyone to read every single word I write. Just trying to push and attempt helping to make perhaps an even more solid game. I've been pushing a liiiitle too hard though haha.

 

[Ouch Quit It]

I think you may be confusing their frustration with immaturity.
The frustration comes from once having a dev that actively communicated with the community, sparking discussions and keeping things lively, to a dev team that does not. Sure, Faatal posted some cool Pics and answered some questions outside of a17, and you're still kicking around, but mm's little social experiment isn't working, at least from a forum community relations stand point, which is his prerogative, but you can't reasonably expect it to go over well here.

This is the forum community, and between #streamergate, Twitter announcements coming first and now the shut off of communication, the forum members, the guys who feel like they've been with the development from the start, are feeling left out.

Right, wrong, or inevitable, it's not immaturity.

EXACTLY...well put my friend!! This only started with A17.....BETA....or not...but maybe....we shall see....could be....I don't know.

MTFGA

 

[Lonestarcanuck]

I recall reading somewhere that 7DTD will get a Steam Store, that is in-game tradable items that are unique/rare. Is that still in the roadmap and is that A17 or beyond?

I know my kids and I sold many items worth a lot in other games and it was pretty cool to run around wearing stuff that was unique. So Rare/Unique trading loot.

 

[Guppycur]

Thank you for that. I was going to post something to the effect "just because you have a voice doesn't mean others must listen". Not very nice of me, but I just don't get some of the personalities here.
7DTD could have been made in a vacuum. Instead TFP gave us a place to talk and discuss things and they even listen from time to time. They're building a game that can be nearly infinitely modified. But some of us here are never satisfied. The aura of entitlement sickens me, truth be told.

I've long since got my money's worth from 7DTD. I play it more than probably all the games I've ever purchased combined (on Steam at least... my C64 days consumed more time than I care to admit). I've been involved, at many levels, with many betas of big game titles and none of them even made me feel at all like I was truly contributing. Here, at least, if you post something intelligent you get listened to and maybe even change happens because of it. I don't need the affirmation to feel I have something to contribute but it does feel good to know that this isn't just conversations between players going nowhere.

EDIT: corrected feeling to feel... oops.

And what of the people just now getting the the game, and just now joining the forum? What a waste.

Look, I don't know who these "people" are Aldranon was talking about, 'cause I'm reading through the past few pages and not seeing any kind of sense of entitlement, but instead people asking for clarification.

Here's my recollection of events, complete with the actual quotes and my interpretation of those quotes.

MM comes out with an update showing us new stuff.

Me: Clearly abandonware (sarcarsm in full effect)

MM: Alpha 17 is beta, and by all rights SHOULD have been a sequel there is so muc work being done (sarcastic in reply)

People: Alpha 17 is beta?

Me: No, he was joking

Roland: It is almost beta in the grand scheme of things. Alpha 17 is definitely near the end of the alpha phase. No joke. Most features listed in the kickstarter goals are in the game and the ones that are not could be added after final release. Are all of those features at a finished state? No. That is exactly what beta phase is for. (Roland being mathematical in stating that since the game is over 50% complete it's closer to beta than not).

Gazz: A17 means Alpha 17. Literally, explicitly, and inyofacely. Parts of it start smelling a bit beta-ish if you will... (Game is still an alpha)

See the confusion?

 

[DeadMole]

See the confusion?

I think most everyone saw it at this point, it's a land of confusion hehe. All it takes is for MM to drop in and make a clear official statement at this point. And then... some people will still be confused and ask more questions while speculating... and that is why we rather have him post regularly haha.

 

[Guppycur]

I think most everyone saw it at this point, it's a land of confusion hehe. All it takes is for MM to drop in and make a clear official statement at this point. And then... some people will still be confused and ask more questions while speculating... and that is why we rather have him post regularly haha.

And thats what normally happens... he says something, there's a week or two of #insanity, and he comes back to clarify the speculation. Which is exactly the argument for his return, and for things to go back to how they used to be. =)

 

[Aldranon]

Gazz: ... (Game is still an alpha)

See the confusion?

Let me help you see things better. Hopefully that helps new people too.

As for people who act like they deserve something, my memory works well past two weeks. I remember when MM called some people in the forums that were flaming him "a bunch of jerks". That was about when showing people new stuff and talking ad hoc started to end.

 

[Lonestarcanuck]

there ya go folks... confirmed left handed sticks for left handed characters only... thanks MM and i already ordered my left handed Spikey Club.

So being a lefty myself I appreciate this. can we get left handed guns and minibikes with right side driving for the UK maps?

 

[Lonestarcanuck]

And thats what normally happens... he says something, there's a week or two of #insanity, and he comes back to clarify the speculation. Which is exactly the argument for his return, and for things to go back to how they used to be. =)

IMO I would be shocked if A17 is "Beta". there seems to be so many changes including underlying architecture. Who knows! Alpha or Beta - can't wait to craft empty cans and skin human players to make a skin suite (well maybe not that last one).

 

[Flat0ut]

Madmole said on last video that gyrocopter might not ship with alpha 17. I'm just askin' why? It looks nearly finished. What is wrong with it?

 

[DeadMole]

As for people who act like they deserve something, my memory works well past two weeks. I remember when MM called some people in the forums that were flaming him "a bunch of jerks".

I don't think I was around to be called that then so I guess it doesn't apply to me, but to make things clear (or try to again) I wasn't trying to knock MM in any way.

 

[Aldranon]

I don't think I was around to be called that then so I guess it doesn't apply to me, but to make things clear (or try to again) I wasn't trying to knock MM in any way.

I'm sure he wasn't referring to you as it was in a video he made awhile ago, when he used to make videos often. I remember it seemed to really bother him, that people he thought had his back, actually were stabbing him in the back on the TFP's own website.

 

[Gazz]

No, I'm not asking him to stop posting or making videos. Nice strawmen you got there.Saying that I'm not grown up. Nice personal attack you got there.

I wasn't talking to you.