CplCritter
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Shotgun ammo requires paper - glue is an ingredient to make paper (I think) and bones are an ingredient in making glue. Hence bones for shotgun ammo... right?
PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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For you or the bandit?
Zombies on hoard night are faatal meaning that they can since you wherever and if they can smell you out hiding away in your fort. They can easily find a lone bandit out in the open. Who must have lost his mind for being out there on a night like this.
If anything, it would make it more safe for you as the hoard chase after the idiot. Might be funny to watch faatal zombies chasing after a bandit.
Would love to watch what a bandit would do with either weapon against a hoard of running and screaming zombies.
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No they are too busy nerfing all the weapons just like we saw in the last video.Ah, that makes sense. I understood why they were not high priority. Just wondered if the basic design was taking into account 3d movement. Plus I was at work and bored.
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Yes.
If there were multiple penalty types in each grid location, zombies could even use different weighting combinations, so they would have varied behavior, like weaker ones place a stronger value to block health, while higher damaging zombies don't care to go around as much. More data in the grid will use more memory, but should be fine.
Gipothegip
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It says when the front page was last updated in the poll on top of the page, as far as any major A17 news goes.
Pink elephants!?
What about my laser bears?
Ouch Quit It
Chronic Cougher
Drinking while playing Confirmed!!! Its sooo good when it touches your lips!!!
I only drink to make other people more interesting!!
MTFGA
Kind of off topic, but since someone posted the original kickstarter page I couldn't help but notice the 300k goal had oculus rift support. Is that still on the list of things to do once this game is gold? I'm in no hurry for it, but it'd be freakin' awesome. Cause I don't know about you guys but one thing that'd make this game terrifying at night would be seeing a (silent) wandering horde at night in VR.
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Aldranon
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Bones->Glue->Paper->Shotgun Shell.
Add to that a days worth of mining boulders then becoming max skilled at a shotgun is actually a very good idea.
With a good hunting knife, I get 1-3 bones per zombie. Encouraging screamer hordes and doing melee combat in a flat cleared area is maybe one of the most exciting and useful things I do! When half the hoard is fast, its best to have over 200 stamina.
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What sillls said. I haven't seen the code, but if it's like any AI I've seen before, this is built in already. Breaking through a concrete block has a high cost associated with it, but even walking across open ground has a nonzero cost, since it still takes time. Then the zombie can typically go for the lowest cost path, without the need for much special case behavior that is more easily exploited.
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Okay, I've come around on this. When I first heard the grid would be recomputed on the order of 1-10 seconds, I thought it would be a terrible casualty of performance limits. Now I see how a significant delay before they react could be beneficial.
Crater Creator
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Nonsense! The survivors set a goal at the start of the week to upgrade their base from single-thick steel walls to double-thick. Then stuff happens. The miner gets distracted, they don't get enough iron in the forges, yadda yadda, and the bottom line is they don't have enough steel to cover everything. So rather than have an uneven patchwork, they agree to get the north, east, and west walls finished, and concentrate their traps and guns on the south side to compensate. Voila: they learn the zombie's behavior organically, with no outside knowledge.
I don't see anyone lamenting how easy it will be to beat. I see people trying to poke holes in a design as soon as they're made aware of it. That's just to be expected. We always do that, whether the design is revealed in a video, post, actual release, or anything else. It makes up the majority of the on-topic discussion in the Dev Diaries.
Aldranon
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Edit: Or, each zombie has a behavior:
-Nurses always target the player and always go for the easiest path.
-Bikers and lumberjacks will head straight for the player location and start attacking anything in there way.
-Spider zombies will quietly climb up the walls and only make a small sound when it sees the player.
This would give each zombie type some feel to them and no just a random, generic zed.
Opps! dang Internets not doing what I wanted!
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Crater Creator
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That’s interesting, because I take the opposite approach. Doors are a linchpin of my horde defense. I spend the resources to make multiple strong doors the zombies have to breach before they can reach me, arranged in a way that I can take as many of them out before they do.
And the thing is, I’m certain I would do this even if I’d never been on the forums or wiki, and/or the zombies treated doors like other blocks. Why? Because doors (along with hatches and campfires) offer the unique benefit of allowing me to pass through them unhindered, then changing state to where they do hinder the zombies. I don't consider it to be exploiting any outside knowledge of the AI, which is one thing I like about my horde defenses.
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