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Just for clarification "domestication" as in turning a wolf into a pet is what Joel talked about numerous times but "domestication" in the sense of persistent chickens and boar and deer that could be penned up and turned into an animal farm has always been denied as being something the game will have.
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I'm sure Tin or someone else will find a way, especially with the changes coming in A17.

Or, at least, I'm hoping they will.

 
This is the same old problem that has resulted in Joel changing the way he communicates. People took his "hopefully we can do it" comments as promises.
Pets and domestication were never part of the original goals or stretch goals. Joel posted that he wanted to be able to have a wolf pet like the dog pet in FO4. It is something he planned to do but there is no guarantee. It is still something he wants to include but you can't take that as a sure thing until it is actually announced as in. A pet follower might be added before launch. It might be added after launch. The idea might get scrapped for this game and shifted over to the next game altogether. Such are the facts of life about development. Until gold release none of us should get too attached to any feature planned or already in the game as that just leads to huge disappointment. Look at those who felt that "spam crafting" was an integral core aspect of the game....or sticks and sharpened rocks....

Just for clarification "domestication" as in turning a wolf into a pet is what Joel talked about numerous times but "domestication" in the sense of persistent chickens and boar and deer that could be penned up and turned into an animal farm has always been denied as being something the game will have.
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Roland i don't normally like to disagree with you, but in this case it was a big thing. there are or WERE items in the game. that we poked and prodded about since day one. cat and dog food, why have that kind of stuff in the game if you WEREN'T planning on it. or it was a maybe. Joel has been talking about block space and matts and what not saying there wasn't enough room so why waste space with something that may or may not make it into the game.

now i'm not saying i'm attached to anything at this point. there has been too much disappointment with alot of features, alot of backstepping. features get put in stay a long time then inevitably get canned and removed. to us that was precious dev time wasted so when features that WERE a possibility or dreams couldn't get the attention they deserved.

now i'm not saying all this should be brought into the game because we asked i'm simply saying you gotta look at it from a different perspective and understand these sort of things that have gone on have made people a little bitter about the development of this game. and features that were promised or labeled a "possibility" would have made it if not for the fact of all this back stepping about features.

 
... cat and dog food, why have that kind of stuff in the game if you WEREN'T planning on it...
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I always assumed that the cat and dog food were in the game because people actually will eat them under the right circumstances, but only if they're desperate. So it's more likely that you'll find cat or dog food in a house that's been looted before rather than human food, since the first looters would take the human food leaving only what they didn't want.

Of course, I love the idea of domesticating a wolf, but 7DtD does work without it.

 
Dog food and cat food being in the game we’re just low tier garbage food. They weren’t meant to be clues that pets were coming. They were meant to be food you eat if you don’t have anything else.

I want pets too. :) So does Joel. Work on it has been done so it’s hopeful. Just not a guaranteed promise.

 
Dog food and cat food being in the game we’re just low tier garbage food. They weren’t meant to be clues that pets were coming. They were meant to be food you eat if you don’t have anything else.
I want pets too. :) So does Joel. Work on it has been done so it’s hopeful. Just not a guaranteed promise.
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ya i know. i'm just sayin hopefully you can understand the bitterness that has been rubbed on wounds in the past.

as far as npc's there are only two things i wanna see. the factions which have been talked about. to add the the survival aspect making enemies and whatnot. and being able to "hire" npc's to help guard your base. that would be awesome. and that feature would no doubt help with pvp.

 
Dog and cat food is part of what is it in the houses, just the pets have been eaten. Didn`t imagine that it could bring the idea of bringin dogs and cats ingame, hm.

I don`t own a pet but I still keep some food when friends come with their dog or some sort of creature.

 
I'm sure Tin or someone else will find a way, especially with the changes coming in A17.
Or, at least, I'm hoping they will.
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Hope so, too.

Bringin a pet to eat infected flesh tough. How will it survive or it could just dont care. I am not an example since i lost my dog in FO4, but if not .. still..in some of your next games pimps, this idea will be one of the best :)

 
Dog and cat food is part of what is it in the houses, just the pets have been eaten. Didn`t imagine that it could bring the idea of bringin dogs and cats ingame, hm. I don`t own a pet but I still keep some food when friends come with their dog or some sort of creature.
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i've been here a very long time. that convo was brought up a long time ago about what they meant.

 
ya i know. i'm just sayin hopefully you can understand the bitterness that has been rubbed on wounds in the past.
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Are we still talking about a game? An Early Access game? If the words bitter and wounded describe anyone's feelings about things put in and taken out of a game then a) video games may not be for them if they can't detach to even that extent and b) EA for sure isn't.

Early Access is a peek inside the dev process. The kinds of things you described as causing bitter feelings and wounds are the part of EVERY game dev process. We just get to see them now.

If I ever felt in the least bitter about a decision by a game dev on a feature of THEIR game, I would turn off my computer and never turn it on again.

Edit: And this is coming from someone that thought the removal of Spam Crafting was the worst mistake ever made by a dev. Well, not really, but that is the way my posts sounded when I went back and looked at them later. ;)

 
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Good news everyone!!!! While helping my daughter with her AP Calculus homework last night I found the formula Roland used to create the big red HP bar. After several hours of painstakingly doing differential equations I finally came up with the answer this morning.

Here it is: 87 104 101 110 32 105 116 39 115 32 114 101 97 100 121

 
Good news everyone!!!! While helping my daughter with her AP Calculus homework last night I found the formula Roland used to create the big red HP bar. After several hours of painstakingly doing differential equations I finally came up with the answer this morning.
Here it is: 87 104 101 110 32 105 116 39 115 32 114 101 97 100 121
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Aha! The hexadecimal binairy conversion of "Its done when its done™". Nice work and a good confirmation as well! Well done :)

Cheers

 
Are we still talking about a game? An Early Access game? If the words bitter and wounded describe anyone's feelings about things put in and taken out of a game then a) video games may not be for them if they can't detach to even that extent and b) EA for sure isn't.
Early Access is a peek inside the dev process. The kinds of things you described as causing bitter feelings and wounds are the part of EVERY game dev process. We just get to see them now.

If I ever felt in the least bitter about a decision by a game dev on a feature of THEIR game, I would turn off my computer and never turn it on again.

Edit: And this is coming from someone that thought the removal of Spam Crafting was the worst mistake ever made by a dev. Well, not really, but that is the way my posts sounded when I went back and looked at them later. ;)
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i have an inkling you havn't been here since the the EARLY alphas. i'm not saying that the nature of features for an early access game won't get the axe every now and then. but when over a dozen of features have been axed that were good features, but people "complained" that it was this or that so it gets axed. and features that were wholesomely approved by the community didn't make it in or whatever. it doesn't matter what the nature of EA is it gets annoying to most people. i'm not saying that they need to stop doing it. i'm just saying that there are some things that cause bitterness when devs just listen to a few people on the forums and can something. so ya theres bitterness

 
I'm just saying that there are some things that cause bitterness when devs just listen to a few people on the forums and can something. so ya theres bitterness
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Causality can be a female dog to determine and if I feel bitter that it started raining because a few people were carrying umbrellas, that bitterness is largely a product of my own erroneous perception.

 
i have an inkling you havn't been here since the the EARLY alphas. i'm not saying that the nature of features for an early access game won't get the axe every now and then. but when over a dozen of features have been axed that were good features, but people "complained" that it was this or that so it gets axed. and features that were wholesomely approved by the community didn't make it in or whatever. it doesn't matter what the nature of EA is it gets annoying to most people. i'm not saying that they need to stop doing it. i'm just saying that there are some things that cause bitterness when devs just listen to a few people on the forums and can something. so ya theres bitterness
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You are assuming you have a clue why certain things were added or removed. Just because something was talked about on the forums doesn't mean that had any effect on dev decisions. It could have. It just as easily could have had nothing to do with it.

My point still stands. If you feel bitter about a feature being put in or taken out of a game, it's time to step away from the keyboard.

 
Causality can be a female dog to determine and if I feel bitter that it started raining because a few people were carrying umbrellas, that bitterness is largely a product of my own erroneous perception.
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we can't compare two things where one can be controlled and the other can't

 
You are assuming you have a clue why certain things were added or removed. Just because something was talked about on the forums doesn't mean that had any effect on dev decisions. It could have. It just as easily could have had nothing to do with it.
My point still stands. If you feel bitter about a feature being put in or taken out of a game, it's time to step away from the keyboard.
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assuming? who said anything about assuming, i know for a fact there were a couple of features that i spent days advocating. had plenty of people on my side, but it got removed because of a few people who were crying for whatever reason.

and your point is moot, there are two sides to EA, the devs and the players. if you don't want players to have a hand in development you don't make it EA. period. and trying to tell someone "they need to step away from the keyboard" because you think you have some higher sense of morality on the issue is pompous and arrogant.

we were told at the very beginning, that we were going to have a hand in development, and you can't expect a cut not to hurt when you spill something on it and it stings. and when it heals its still there. you can't walk away from a scar its there for the rest of its life and will always remind you of how you got it even though it doesn't hurt anymore. now i'm not saying these issues are that serious but the moral of the story remains the same.

and you acting like i'm over here raging and smashing my keyboard because of this means you know nothing about me and your not really paying attention and understanding what i'm trying to say. i'm not attacking anyone. just trying to get people to see both sides of the coin here.

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Have the Pimps hinted of a new date for the games final release? A while back it was supposed to go gold by the end of last year.
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its best just to assume they didn't

 
assuming? who said anything about assuming,........
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its best just to assume they didn't
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Pleeeease tell me you did that on purpose because it is the funniest thing I have seen today... :D

 
My point still stands. If you feel bitter about a feature being put in or taken out of a game, it's time to step away from the keyboard.
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Hi Gnomanna, this IS the place to post about features that you like OR dislike. Its part of the reason why forums exist. I like you, I really do.. but your posts defending every action TFP make seem a little strange after a while. Your arguments would hold more weight if you are able to find some things you dont like and post about those things to instead of defending EVERY single action they take.

Can you give me examples about the game or A17 you dont like?

I know I complain a lot, and I can be an @ss about it, but its only because this its my favorite game, Im going to be playing for years. If I truly didnt like the game I wouldnt play or post here. TFP have an amazing thing going on here but I dont feel the need to post a defense to every negative thought about the game tho.

 
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