PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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SnowDog1942
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I have an oculous... VR is cool.. but sooooo bad for FPS type games because of how u have to teleport around like your in a sci fi movie
Talk about immersion breaking..
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I don't think they will do 2 years of beta. Beta or 1.0 are just labels you put on software that is in practice NEVER EVER finished. For me A17 isn't beta as they clearly added lots of features and changed a lot but madmole says its beta for him. We are both right because beta isn't really defined but he is more right because he is the official labeler of this software and I'm just an armchair critic :fat:
I say they will release A17 and the process of A17.0 to A17.12 will be the REAL beta and take about the same time as A17. They could release A17.0 as 1.0, but after the experience of A16.0 I honestly can't imagine why that would be a good plan. But we'll see, maybe they do more internal playtesting with A17 or they just found out that A17 shaped up much better than A16. Who knows?
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fragtzack
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Pretty sure that Joel's comments about Beta were not meant as "A17 is Beta for the 7D2D game", rather "A17 is now beta, meaning no NEW content will be added to A17".
in other words, they are starting to polish A17 so that A17 can be released to the public horde.
But since MM is too busy eating his beard, he can't be bothered to clear this confusion all up.
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My advice to the Pimps: Keep your new game development secret. Of course start working on it, but don't release info to the public until this 7D2D game is closer to gold and you are ready to ask for early funding kickstarters for the game. There is a reason a lot of development shops don't release early info on new projects to the public.
Regards.
in other words, they are starting to polish A17 so that A17 can be released to the public horde.
But since MM is too busy eating his beard, he can't be bothered to clear this confusion all up.
Lastly,
My advice to the Pimps: Keep your new game development secret. Of course start working on it, but don't release info to the public until this 7D2D game is closer to gold and you are ready to ask for early funding kickstarters for the game. There is a reason a lot of development shops don't release early info on new projects to the public.
Regards.
SnowDog1942
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How does it work in Fallout 4? Is it puke-worthy?
In response to #113: I'm way ahead of you
There is some text that tells you that you should make a bedroll and place 3 wood frames. Nothing about that is story, it shows the player the first few steps into the game, there is no story-related reason for this. "I'm schizophrenic and a voice in my head ordered me to make a bedroll because when I die I get ressurected" is probably not the story TFP is after.
It also doesn't matter that you could easily create a cursory reason by giving the player a paper with "The bear clan wants you to prove your worth by building a bedroll". My point is that this part could just stay in the game, would be called a tutorial and nobody would critizise it as the beginning of an unfinished story.
You're just proving his point. How could you know that for a fact? Show me statistics, point me to publishers memos about their customer research. If you instead think your friends and forum buddies constitute a reliable source, you should look up the term "filter bubble"
Oh sure, the trader is meant to be the start of the main quest. But anything before it, all the other quests, constitute a tutorial. And a simple rewrite of that one sentence you are citing would erase any lingering impression of even the last step of the tutorial being anything else but a tutorial.
There is some text that tells you that you should make a bedroll and place 3 wood frames. Nothing about that is story, it shows the player the first few steps into the game, there is no story-related reason for this. "I'm schizophrenic and a voice in my head ordered me to make a bedroll because when I die I get ressurected" is probably not the story TFP is after.
It also doesn't matter that you could easily create a cursory reason by giving the player a paper with "The bear clan wants you to prove your worth by building a bedroll". My point is that this part could just stay in the game, would be called a tutorial and nobody would critizise it as the beginning of an unfinished story.
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"I played hundreads of hours ever since A14 and it still feels like the same game basically. Same AI, same graphics except for some new textures here and there, same quests (except for the first part of the main quest as I mentioned). Of course there's some interesting features added with every new alphas, but it still plays the same for the most part."
I only have about seventeen hundred hours invested, so I may not have your experience, but my take from the past few alphas is:
Not the same AI at all. AI got broken unfortunately. Not the same graphics, we got a huge rehaul. From blocks to mobs, all new graphics. Quests? Umm, they swapped bedroll and stone axe in the order. No biggie.
Now, aside from the three things you mentioned that is the same game, what I noticed was....
New zombies. Oh the new zombies. Wonderful. Now every mob can heal and be feral. New animals. Whoo boy, find them wolves on day two or three and you know something. New blocks. Who would've thunk that bulletproof glass would be so fun? Or that now we get to do advanced rotation on most blocks, I thought that would be as fun as painting and.......
PAINTING! Dude, we finally have a use for cotton, goldenrod, and chrys. I mean, I only farmed chrys for the red wooden blocks, and now my stainless steel can be red! The whole base customization thing is so much better, could only be better if we had.....
Electricity! Man oh man alive, now we have several different means of lighting! Different colors, different lights, sound systems, motion sensor lights. If only we could keep this wonderful base safe with....
Turrets and spinning blade traps! Indianna Jones style darts with electric fences! It could only be better if....
And I'm going to stop right here. I'm a troll, not a complete jerk. Dude, from a15 to a16 is a completely new game. If you only played a few hundred hours over the course of three alphas (about 1000 hours of mine is 15, about five or six hundred 16, and the rest 14) you never got to endgame on a day 1000 server. You would miss what most of us immediately realized. So no, it doesn't look, feel, or play anything like it used to. Alpha 1 was literally Minecraft. Alpha 17 will be a whole new critter.
Lonestarcanuck
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We have an HTC Vive at home and a room dedicated to it. my son loaded one outdoor VR app and I swear to god I was in 7DTD forest. it was amazing and I kept looking for zombies.
DeadMole
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It's simple experience. I gather that from years of playing multiple genres of games, including online games and what players are chatting about (speaking of unfiltered worldchat here) reading forums, and yes, watching YouTube videos that are rarely from the same channels. Sorry to burst your bubble here (pun most definitely intended).
An NPC leading you to a location in the game is not a tutorial. Noah said go there, then what? That's the begining of a storyline.
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