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Most negative reviews I've read seem to share the same point, which is the fact that the only actual way of leveling up is by killing zombies, and nothing else, which forces the more builder type of players (among other non-offensive types) to change their gameplay style to another they don't enjoy as much.
Yes, you do get some xp by doing other things, but the amount you get is so very little that it literally makes no difference at all.

On top of that, the fact that no matter what you do, everything is capped at very specific levels is indeed a bit disappointing. It feels like no matter what you do, no matter how lucky you are, or no matter what you find, you'll never get certain stuff sooner up until you reach a very specific level and spend all your points on it.

This means that every new game I play, the overall pace at which I progress is basically the same, and it doesn't feel very natural either, since it's all due to the level gating.

I believe that those are the two major things in this update that people disliked the most.
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Really I think xp is just disproportionate for harvesting/building. I was messing around a bit with the perks. Get steel tools and all the harvesting perks that relate to swing speed, block damage, resources gathered, lower stam use, etc. and I was leveling faster from harvesting than killing zombies (disregarding BM of course). This is due to harvesting xp being generated from the amount and type of resource gathered. So the more resources you get, the more xp. So faster swing, more resources per swing, higher block damage, etc. means more xp.

Now I say I was getting more from harvesting is because to kill enough zombies meant I had to go to a POI, clear it out, leave, then go to another, repeat. Harvesting is more local once you start and don't have to do much, then include having to kill the occasional wandering horde or single zombie (I do include that in harvesting as long as I don't go out of my way to do it). With never running out of stamina, it's just continuous xp (even if less individually) that by the time I compare it to the same amount of hours over time, harvesting was getting me more, even though it seemed I was getting more from zombies since there were just larger bursts.

Granted, as I said, it is more once you get to steel, so yes, earlier on, when xp matters a bit more, it's not as viable. I just see most of those reviews never seem to get that far to realize "Okay, harvesting/building can give more xp than killing, just late in game. Early game, not so much. TFP says they are working on it to streamline it more. Just give it time you harvesters and builders. Your will come."

 
Really I think xp is just disproportionate for harvesting/building. I was messing around a bit with the perks. Get steel tools and all the harvesting perks that relate to swing speed, block damage, resources gathered, lower stam use, etc. and I was leveling faster from harvesting than killing zombies (disregarding BM of course). This is due to harvesting xp being generated from the amount and type of resource gathered. So the more resources you get, the more xp. So faster swing, more resources per swing, higher block damage, etc. means more xp.
Now I say I was getting more from harvesting is because to kill enough zombies meant I had to go to a POI, clear it out, leave, then go to another, repeat. Harvesting is more local once you start and don't have to do much, then include having to kill the occasional wandering horde or single zombie (I do include that in harvesting as long as I don't go out of my way to do it). With never running out of stamina, it's just continuous xp (even if less individually) that by the time I compare it to the same amount of hours over time, harvesting was getting me more, even though it seemed I was getting more from zombies since there were just larger bursts.

Granted, as I said, it is more once you get to steel, so yes, earlier on, when xp matters a bit more, it's not as viable. I just see most of those reviews never seem to get that far to realize "Okay, harvesting/building can give more xp than killing, just late in game. Early game, not so much. TFP says they are working on it to streamline it more. Just give it time you harvesters and builders. Your will come."
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The fact that the reviews never get that far should say just how bad of a problem it is.

 
The fact that the reviews never get that far should say just how bad of a problem it is.
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If it wasn't in Early Access, of course. If this game was on sale half of the year (seems to be multiple times a month) for under $10, of course. But for Early Access, easy to get under $10, this game is amazing and tons of replay value even if the "zombie killing is only xp". And it's not like this has been a normal throughout the game. I've paid $60 for games that sucked hard core from triple A and lost interest in 30 hours or less, looking at you Destiny 2 (and that's just one game, and usually the most known one is all). And then the DLC which is even more and spend less hours on those. I've come to now only buy games on sale.

If they actually do the Steam Workshop, then those reviews probably won't be there. Be like, well this part stinks, but go to this and subscribe and it'll fix it. It's annoying, sure (I play Vermintide II and there's some QoL subscriptions to get that is really shocking is not in main game), but makes it a simple fix.

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This statement is so true. Most people burn out/get bored long before end game now.
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Lol, also shows how much shorter people's attention spans are compared to when I first started playing games some 23 years ago

 
This statement is so true. Most people burn out/get bored long before end game now.
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Bless them. If only they were geologists because then they wouldn't get burned out so easily. I mean, Earth is still in the early game, and you don't see DaVega complaining.

 
We've found one beaker, IIRC from one of the rooftop crates of a large Pass n Gas. About 30hrs of playtime in that map. They are indeed slightly too rare.
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From all the A17 exp played including 240 stable I find most beakers from Z otherwise on occasions it's from airdrops and once from a campfire. Averaged out probably takes 22 hours to find one. I don't mind the RNG since we often find working chem stations around the world, gives us something else to work towards.

 
From all the A17 exp played including 240 stable I find most beakers from Z otherwise on occasions it's from airdrops and once from a campfire. Averaged out probably takes 22 hours to find one. I don't mind the RNG since we often find working chem stations around the world, gives us something else to work towards.
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Funny. I've yet to find a working chem station, but found a few beakers in hospitals.

 
I had a good route with 10 or so lootable containers that can spawn beakers, I didn't find my first beaker until level 108. It's a bit much.

 
I'm level 121, crafting a gyrocopter right now, but still can't find a tool and die set to craft my 10,000 brass in my forge lol

 
I had a good route with 10 or so lootable containers that can spawn beakers, I didn't find my first beaker until level 108. It's a bit much.
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Just this weekend I got 4 beakers in a single POI.

Random is random...

 
I usually get beaker in all my game before level 30 is been hit. same for tool and die cast, either I found them or saw on trader which I cannot buy and have to pass, but I saw it exists. never had problem like those cases mention above, 100+ and still not found thing.

I am guessing either your play style doesn't include lot of POI or you skip some kind of POI that give more chances. I am doing lot of new house dungeon and regular house, didn't grow enough to do big tower yet, but maybe you try to change that?

 
I've got a feeling your chances of getting certain items are actually better when you're lower level, once you're higher level it's much more difficult to get those things.

 
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