PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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69WithAzombie
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Really pumped for the next update! Hope it lives up to the hype!
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PiercedFromWithin
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Blake_
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Demi Moore is MM hooking up the skill system and having tons of fun and Swayze represents Gazz romantically fixing any bugs left behind by Demimole. Or is it the other way around?
I will never watch that movie again after that thought :hopelessness:
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chaosterone
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Had no idea Gazz and faatal were roommates. Huh.
littlegreen
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I think the "riding the bear" thing should be left in as a feature!
I mean... have you ever tried riding a bear and lived to tell the tale?
Devs,
In relation to the new (or lack thereof) wellness system - it's been said you're gaining health from eating and such - unless I don't really understand it - but what would the penalty of dying be? I'm dying to find out! lol
I mean... have you ever tried riding a bear and lived to tell the tale?
Devs,
In relation to the new (or lack thereof) wellness system - it's been said you're gaining health from eating and such - unless I don't really understand it - but what would the penalty of dying be? I'm dying to find out! lol
Thanks for the response, I'll re-phrase.
Running a Dedicated PvP server, i've noticed that player's might be running a small 2 - 3 man operation, but want to coordinate with others in a join effort against a common target. However, the game provides little to no support for this, resulting in 3rd party programs to fill the void.
Currently there's an option to create 'allies' (friends list) that force to share current locations, protection from turret fire and group exp.
I was wondering if a clan/guild/alliance feature would be fleshed out in later releases to provide more community interaction from within the game?
Prisma501
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If im not mistaken thats allready been done. Check out wintermod (or something like it) in the mod section.Would be nice to have: Seasons, some other aspect of surviving, so no longer snow only in the current biome, but instead having a global season, when winter comes, you have to be prepared.Maybe that is something we can mod in
Cheers
-edit- https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?78669-POC-Merry-ComSens-A-7-Days-to-Die-Winter-Project-Mod
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n2n1
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Hi Roland!
Please tell me, does A17 have a new "Desktop PC" 3D-model ? Or, in prefabs, do they still use TV-models for this?
"Desktop PC" models have long been needed, and i'm going to create this for my mod, but i want to make sure not to do useless work
Please tell me, does A17 have a new "Desktop PC" 3D-model ? Or, in prefabs, do they still use TV-models for this?
"Desktop PC" models have long been needed, and i'm going to create this for my mod, but i want to make sure not to do useless work
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War3zuk
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Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<rwgmixer>
<biome_spawn_rules>
<biome_spawn_rule name="pine_forest">
<biome_generator range="0,0.2"/>
<terrain_generator range="170,189"/>
<distance_from_center range="0,10"/>
</biome_spawn_rule>
<biome_spawn_rule name="desert">
<biome_generator range="0.2,0.3"/>
<distance_from_center range="10,20"/>
</biome_spawn_rule>
<biome_spawn_rule name="burnt_forest">
<biome_generator range="0.3,0.4"/>
<distance_from_center range="20,30"/>
</biome_spawn_rule>
<biome_spawn_rule name="forest">
<biome_generator range="0.4,0.6"/>
<distance_from_center range="30,40"/>
</biome_spawn_rule>
<biome_spawn_rule name="plains">
<biome_generator range="0.8,1"/>
<distance_from_center range="40,50"/>
</biome_spawn_rule>
<biome_spawn_rule name="snow">
<biome_generator range="0.6,0.7"/>
<terrain_generator range="50,200"/>
<distance_from_center range="50,9500"/>
</biome_spawn_rule>
<biome_spawn_rule name="wasteland">
<biome_generator range="0.7,0.8"/>
<distance_from_center range="9500,10000"/>
</biome_spawn_rule>
<biome_spawn_rule name="radiated">
<distance_from_center range="10000,20000"/>
</biome_spawn_rule>
<biome_spawn_rule name="water">
<terrain_generator range="-31,-21"/>
</biome_spawn_rule>
</biome_spawn_rules>
</rwgmixer>Thats spawns a map totally covered in snow & is the one I use for myself....
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Shado47
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@faatal , madmole
And I'm still sitting hoping for you to reconsider the plans for melee. Having to take a hit to deal one is suicidal. So far it was good. Go in, hit them, they can hit you back but the chance for it depends entirely on your skill. If you come in, hit them, and they just hit you back instantly with no way to dodge it... thats not fun combat. I like playing the chance game. I like taking my chainsaw out on hordenight and just running through the horde chopping it up, always risking being hit in the process but its not "take a hit for every bit of damage you deal" kind of trade. Thats ridiculous. Horde night is still challenging either way. Having to kill radiated zombie cops that basically don't take any damage whatsoever unless you have an AK or a sniper rifle or a rocket launcher, can't chop off their legs and arms, etc.
Every zombie movie ever, people who were attacking zombies were able to do so most of the time without being attacked in return because being attacked in return meant being infected so they are cautious and also the living are faster than the dead (except when the dead are running which the way most players play is only at night).
If you want to make melee more risky, don't increase the zombie hit chance.
Instead add buffs like zombie bite wounds, zombie scratches, etc that all require different types of treatments so those times you actually do take damage, its damage with an aftermath that you have to deal with.
Also as the apocalypse goes on and zombies go more rotten and there are fewer fresh zombies, the chance for infectious wounds should increase (as a balancing factor for the low damage players deal at the beginning; they take hits more often but don't need to face as drastic consequences as later on).
And I'm still sitting hoping for you to reconsider the plans for melee. Having to take a hit to deal one is suicidal. So far it was good. Go in, hit them, they can hit you back but the chance for it depends entirely on your skill. If you come in, hit them, and they just hit you back instantly with no way to dodge it... thats not fun combat. I like playing the chance game. I like taking my chainsaw out on hordenight and just running through the horde chopping it up, always risking being hit in the process but its not "take a hit for every bit of damage you deal" kind of trade. Thats ridiculous. Horde night is still challenging either way. Having to kill radiated zombie cops that basically don't take any damage whatsoever unless you have an AK or a sniper rifle or a rocket launcher, can't chop off their legs and arms, etc.
Every zombie movie ever, people who were attacking zombies were able to do so most of the time without being attacked in return because being attacked in return meant being infected so they are cautious and also the living are faster than the dead (except when the dead are running which the way most players play is only at night).
If you want to make melee more risky, don't increase the zombie hit chance.
Instead add buffs like zombie bite wounds, zombie scratches, etc that all require different types of treatments so those times you actually do take damage, its damage with an aftermath that you have to deal with.
Also as the apocalypse goes on and zombies go more rotten and there are fewer fresh zombies, the chance for infectious wounds should increase (as a balancing factor for the low damage players deal at the beginning; they take hits more often but don't need to face as drastic consequences as later on).
Shado47
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@faatal , madmole
I love the game, got over 1.1k hours on steam and even more offline... but one of many factors why its taking so long, and actually the only factor that I have no understanding for (if thats the right term), is that you keep fixing things that don't need fixing and reinventing features that are already there.
The buff system went through a full rebuild basically every update since it was added.
The random gen went through a full rebuild basically every update since it was added.
The skill tree went through a full rebuild basically every update since it was added.
True, each of these new iterations was better than the previous one. But at some point you'll have to just decide "that'll do" and move on.
I'm a big fan of you guys and your game and will keep supporting it and recommending it to others like I did since I started playing it years ago.
But if you keep reinventing the wheel you're not gonna get any further.
Some obvious things to point out:
- weapon parts system is great, why remove it now after you kept changing it up after introducing it in the first place?
- weapon and tool quality is great, it means that you always strive for that bit of improvement. Even when you reach the purple stage, if you find a spiked club 570 you still want one with 600 for that little extra damage. Why take that away? Thats time and gameplay the player spends striving for a goal. Why remove gameplay? The sheer amount of gameplay to be had in this game is what makes it great in the first place.
- cars found in the world. I know you have limited assets on your atlas to spend, but how about finding trucks on the roads? How about jeeps. How about tanks. There are army zombie, military bases, everything. A humvee. Motorbikes. Muscle cars. I've been sick of seeing the same car over and over again 5 main updates ago. This aint a biggie.
- roads over lakes? You've proven in your very first iteration of random gen that you are able to detect water bodies and made roads go in a straight line over them. If you can do that, surely you can do bridges.
- zombie bears. their "zombified" texture only shows up from far away if you aimzoom on them, or if you get really up close for when you're not zoomed
- do diamond deposits and gold ore etc even generate in random gen? We have multiple huge mines on our server and havent found one. But recently the trader for some reason sold 1500 ore for 2 coins each. I'm not sure traders are supposed to sell that.. ? (I'm sure they arent)
I love the game but I'm not some fanboy who can't see any flaws in my favorite game (Which it is). Most of these arent thaaat huge things. And I know you're not a huge development team. What I don't understand is just how you manage to rebuild systems that are already done with each update instead of adding new features or changing other features that need it more. Like the A17 Health System changes. What is that? A16 Health was perfect. Never seen better in any survival game.
I love the game, got over 1.1k hours on steam and even more offline... but one of many factors why its taking so long, and actually the only factor that I have no understanding for (if thats the right term), is that you keep fixing things that don't need fixing and reinventing features that are already there.
The buff system went through a full rebuild basically every update since it was added.
The random gen went through a full rebuild basically every update since it was added.
The skill tree went through a full rebuild basically every update since it was added.
True, each of these new iterations was better than the previous one. But at some point you'll have to just decide "that'll do" and move on.
I'm a big fan of you guys and your game and will keep supporting it and recommending it to others like I did since I started playing it years ago.
But if you keep reinventing the wheel you're not gonna get any further.
Some obvious things to point out:
- weapon parts system is great, why remove it now after you kept changing it up after introducing it in the first place?
- weapon and tool quality is great, it means that you always strive for that bit of improvement. Even when you reach the purple stage, if you find a spiked club 570 you still want one with 600 for that little extra damage. Why take that away? Thats time and gameplay the player spends striving for a goal. Why remove gameplay? The sheer amount of gameplay to be had in this game is what makes it great in the first place.
- cars found in the world. I know you have limited assets on your atlas to spend, but how about finding trucks on the roads? How about jeeps. How about tanks. There are army zombie, military bases, everything. A humvee. Motorbikes. Muscle cars. I've been sick of seeing the same car over and over again 5 main updates ago. This aint a biggie.
- roads over lakes? You've proven in your very first iteration of random gen that you are able to detect water bodies and made roads go in a straight line over them. If you can do that, surely you can do bridges.
- zombie bears. their "zombified" texture only shows up from far away if you aimzoom on them, or if you get really up close for when you're not zoomed
- do diamond deposits and gold ore etc even generate in random gen? We have multiple huge mines on our server and havent found one. But recently the trader for some reason sold 1500 ore for 2 coins each. I'm not sure traders are supposed to sell that.. ? (I'm sure they arent)
I love the game but I'm not some fanboy who can't see any flaws in my favorite game (Which it is). Most of these arent thaaat huge things. And I know you're not a huge development team. What I don't understand is just how you manage to rebuild systems that are already done with each update instead of adding new features or changing other features that need it more. Like the A17 Health System changes. What is that? A16 Health was perfect. Never seen better in any survival game.
GrumpyGringo
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Y U NO MAKE THIS? Its upsetting that I haven't seen this in the game yet! And of course it digs!
Xenophobed44
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Wait.... In A17 it's confirmed that whenever you melee hit a zombie they will automatically hit you back like some kind of Thornmail deal? This is indeed an AWFUL idea and removes skill entirely from the equation. It's a good thing I'm pretty sure the Devs haven't officially mentioned this in the Developer Diary for Devs. Unless I totally missed that part
Doombringer101
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No thorns type effect, MM comment during his video.
Roland showed off melee vs walking zombies with various weapons without problems.
Runners may be a very different story though seeing zombies can attack while moving in A17.
Xenophobed44
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Well I got you beat at 4,877 hours does that mean my opinion matters 4 times as much =P. I would rather them provide a FINISHED product with as much working content as possible. Also for their gold / final edition to be what they entirely hoped and dreamed it would be. If it isn't there is always 7 Days to Die 2 like they keep hinting at if they're too ambitious for 7 Days to Die 1's engine.
Please be patient?
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