PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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ParadiseLostUK
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I'm guessing it's a translation thing... it happens quite often. It's funny every time though.Are you calling him Ronald as a joke? Because it's Roland, right? Of course, it does contain the same letters so... Close enough I guess???
SlackerDude
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Wow skippy0330, your post has actually moved me to respond. As a long-time-lurker, infrequent-poster, I read the various posts and many of them to be entertaining. However, I find your post troubling on a number of levels. You certainly have the option to not read my responses to your statements as I break them down.
My apologies for this long-winded response. I return to lurking mode now. :02.47-tranquillity:
By the above statement, it seems you've not played A16 at all, because it is broken?!? I doubt that.
Frustration is completley understandable, impatience is understandable. If you find it too unbearable, you certainly have the option of moving on to one of those finished games you make reference to.
"Letting it slide" implies some intentional slight or insult has been given. I perceive none. You are quite correct about not having a choice. However, you, just like the rest of us, will get the next update/release when it is deemed ready for release.
Again, the above statement implies you've never even played A16 because it is broken, therefore you've never attempted to use any mods. As for distracting yourself with some other form of entertainment while waiting for the release of the update, your statement implies that the game is broken and the developers have ceased work on it. Neither is accurate.
"Promise"? As I recall, it was and is clearly stated the game is still in an unfinished state. I do play the game that was/is promised; an unfinished game that is already very much rich in features, one that is still under development, and has the potential to become a truly outstanding product.
If you find the suggestion of reading a book pretentious, you clearly have larger issues than impatience waiting for a game update.
Skipping past your obvious distaste for Millenials and their perceived attitudes, I assume you paid for and received the game, and that it was not given to you. Therefore, payment made, product received.
Pride in their work and the desire to correct existing issues with A17 before releasing it to customers pretty much qualifies as "drive" by anyone's definition.
My apologies for this long-winded response. I return to lurking mode now. :02.47-tranquillity:
Russakaja
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i see your point. But this is something u can do when u visit a friend, saying that "PROBABLY u gonna visit him in a specific month". for me <- this is not the way u should handle Patch releases. you have a save release date or not, thats it since if u give 'em a date, they hope for it to be released then and they are disappointed especially when it comes out like 1 quarter in delay.
or am i wrong? They changed to unity 2018 right before releasing which is a big step to do right before bringing up a new patch, so there was like no reason to give a "tentative release date". just my opinion tho
just makes mad after a few shots in delay, thats all
Here is why that thought process is flawed and this has been proven over and over and over in the forums here and throughout 7dtd's life.
They say they wont give a date. Everyone cries and screams and complains that they just want an estimate, even if its not actual. Then madmole hints that possibly maybe tentatively this day and then they miss that deadline. Everyone cries and complains and screams.
it really is a damned if you do and damned if you dont. Cause then people like you come along and say well if you cant hold to a date, dont say anything at all.
personally at this point from watching the development of this game from a 400 foot pole they should just ignore everyone at this point and focus on development because no matter what they do someone will come in here and try to be rational, like yourself, but not understand that you just running in circles here. They cant make everyone happy man.
i have almost 900 hours in the game and my fiancee has an additional 600 that we dont play anymore and just waiting for things to finish. Thats cool. We love the coop and will come back when more is finished.
Russakaja
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what u have to understand is, 7 days 2 die is a game that u can play till u have no more motivation for it. After than u gonna pause the game for a few month, maybe 1 year and then u can start a new awesome round of 7 days 2 die, playing till day 600 or sth. And when ppl expect a release within the next 1-2 month, they will not start a new round since they dont wana loose their motivation ofc. WHen i played 7 days for a few weeks right before a release comes out, im not in mood playing it then, makes sense since im out then for a while. This is what most ppl do and from the moment on u give a release date month..they start waiting and stop playing the game till the release is out. so of there is one delay after another, its like kiting people around ;p
Russakaja
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y i see ur point. its just annoying thats all.
as i already explained before, u wont play this game if u know there would be a release since u wana wait then to start with the new patch.
So u keep waitin
I understand all ur trying to tell me, but i never watched ppl commenting over all the years of 7 days 2 die and for me its the first time to post sth in here. You know for me and im just talkin for myself now...its the best to NOT give any date if they cant meet this time window. because of the issues i wrote up there^
its way better just to wait and when they are sure, they can meet the deadline, they can make it official, so nobodys dissapointed.
If you talk about a new patch that is in work, u start making ppl interested in it so ofc they start waiting for it. from there on, ppl start waitin and if u then make the mistake to give a wrong release, they are disappointed. But if you just work on a patch without giving adwise to anyone and then 1-2 years after say "hey there is a new patch in 2 month, release blablabla" nobody was waiting and everyones happy.
When i play alpha 16 for a few years, and nobody's talking about a new patch, then there also is nothing to wait for it.
hope u got me
as i already explained before, u wont play this game if u know there would be a release since u wana wait then to start with the new patch.
So u keep waitin
I understand all ur trying to tell me, but i never watched ppl commenting over all the years of 7 days 2 die and for me its the first time to post sth in here. You know for me and im just talkin for myself now...its the best to NOT give any date if they cant meet this time window. because of the issues i wrote up there^
its way better just to wait and when they are sure, they can meet the deadline, they can make it official, so nobodys dissapointed.
If you talk about a new patch that is in work, u start making ppl interested in it so ofc they start waiting for it. from there on, ppl start waitin and if u then make the mistake to give a wrong release, they are disappointed. But if you just work on a patch without giving adwise to anyone and then 1-2 years after say "hey there is a new patch in 2 month, release blablabla" nobody was waiting and everyones happy.
When i play alpha 16 for a few years, and nobody's talking about a new patch, then there also is nothing to wait for it.
hope u got me
Out from my rock... Or corner... Or...
Scope creep....
But also you'll be getting alpha 18 content considering the span of time between dev cycles. If they had released 17 in say Jan, we would have stopped playing and still be waiting for the M.O.L.E. and bike and unity updates. Dont forget though these guys are gamers and passionate about this game.
I do think when you market through a platform like steam, you should keep marketing to show progress. Otherwise a new buyer will misinterpret it as abandonware on long updates. Maybe the game page has changed, as I have not looked at it in a long time. But I remember last post being in 2017.
Until these guys make "7 days to die forest river", I wouldn't worry about it to much lol.
They are dedicated
Scope creep....
But also you'll be getting alpha 18 content considering the span of time between dev cycles. If they had released 17 in say Jan, we would have stopped playing and still be waiting for the M.O.L.E. and bike and unity updates. Dont forget though these guys are gamers and passionate about this game.
I do think when you market through a platform like steam, you should keep marketing to show progress. Otherwise a new buyer will misinterpret it as abandonware on long updates. Maybe the game page has changed, as I have not looked at it in a long time. But I remember last post being in 2017.
Until these guys make "7 days to die forest river", I wouldn't worry about it to much lol.
They are dedicated
TSRViper
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I was thinking about CraterCreators earlier post about wandering hordes on the map. How about this;
The Trader can sell you a CB radio that gives you access to the ‘White River spotter network’ (radio can only be bought, not made)
When you use the radio, it updates horde positions on the map, not their direction or anything, just where they were last spotted.
This shouldn’t require any real time processing as it could be calculated quite easily and the map would only update when you accessed the radio.
The Trader can sell you a CB radio that gives you access to the ‘White River spotter network’ (radio can only be bought, not made)
When you use the radio, it updates horde positions on the map, not their direction or anything, just where they were last spotted.
This shouldn’t require any real time processing as it could be calculated quite easily and the map would only update when you accessed the radio.
4sheetzngeegles
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Reading this reminded me of this. Trying to scale it to my celica.
Russakaja
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I know, ofc they have to show progress so u know the game isnt dead and buy it probably. but you know...the devs of other games also manage holding their deadlines and if they give a tentative release month or even quarter, they will hold on to it.
It was just a big mistake from the dev's site...making such a big change like updating to the unity 2018...1 month before the release was planned..like if there wouldnt be any bugs and stuff, it was an obvious thing..they should have thought about.
Since bugs and problems are normal when u make big steps like these in developement, i have never seen a dev updating a whole engine to a new version 1 month before planning to finish the new patch
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