PC Definitely unstable stable.

Well... another thread I guess

Well. I'm sorry for this and I know I'm going to get hate... but I'm out anyways, as experimental is over, so my feedback is no longer needed.

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*edit* I now know why they released stable:

7d2d is in the wintersale. This sickens me to the core, even though I understand its an economic descision.

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I'm very disappointed. As a lot of ppl have stated before, this is not ready to be called stable.

A.I. is broken, traderprices make traders (except for quests) unviable, multiplayer still gives multiplicative xp (WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA), forge is locked behind even more requirements than at the start (lvl 20) when everyone complained about it and random gen is now more scrambled and all over the place than it was in A16.4

performance is insanely bad

The only positive things of A17:

vehicles

most textures look nice (distant textures of those ground branch bushes or whatever are sooo bad)

new pois bring in more things to explore and look at

I like that there are more crafting stations (even though they are basically useless)

Mods are sweet (but gunprogression is gone, now colored weapons have more damage)

but that is it... everything else was a stept back.

Combat is worse, guns feel bad, loottables are scrambled, you cant run anywhere...

I will (for the first time since I joined at steamrelease) lookout for a mod that fixes those issues, until then I will stay on A16.4 as it is the superior version.

Its a good basis for a game... but as this is "stable" it is horrendous.

Goodbye, I hope to see you again once you have fixed all those issues, but for now you have lost me (and probably a lot of others as far as I've read on the forums.

 
I think they did the right thing. They are going to be resting for holidays, as they should. So, I prefer to know I can put a little effort into a game BC of no imminent new releases.
Sure, the game isn't really stable now, but what is your alternative? And making them work during the holidays is not a valid response. So, take it like yourself said, an unstable stable, just to let us know we can play a bit longer without new releases.

If you want more stable, you need to play 16.4 . But holidays are for everybody
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How couldn't you "put a little effort into the game because of no imminent new releases" if it was simply kept "experimental" without being updated because they are on holidays ? Quite frankly the logic behind this bugs me.

 
I think they did the right thing. They are going to be resting for holidays, as they should. So, I prefer to know I can put a little effort into a game BC of no imminent new releases.
Sure, the game isn't really stable now, but what is your alternative? And making them work during the holidays is not a valid response. So, take it like yourself said, an unstable stable, just to let us know we can play a bit longer without new releases.

If you want more stable, you need to play 16.4 . But holidays are for everybody
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No offense, but it's all in your head. If you want to play the game without updates so that you don't have to worry about having to start over again, simply don't start a new game and even disable updates for the holidays if you must.

Regarding the public channel, it will most likely be updated soon again, once the experimental gets more stable, but probably not until next year. I think it doesn't really matter though and updating public channel was kinda unnecessary, it will probably complicate things for them later once experimental receives more stable updates, so instead of updating two channels, they will have to update three channels (their own private channel, experimental and public), it will be a mess that won't really bring anything good to anyone.

 
Well...definitely not epermintal...although there ARE candy canes in the game currently. ;)
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I had fun with that. :) I think my Candy Cane shiv is still only level 1, though--everyone knows the most deadly ones are the ones you suck on 'till they come to a surgical point.

 
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It's stable for two reasons, to take a break over Christmas and to generate sales in that period.

Both reasons are reasonable. TFPs have lives / families and they probably had a target of A17 out of the door before the end of the year.

For an EA title after 5 years and between 2 to 5 million copies sold but only an average player base of 20k (0.57% vs sold copies) to generate new income you need a big point release such as A17 whether it is ready or not. Sales will spike, player number will increase sharply then tail off as per previous alpha's and TFPs get another injection of money.

 
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It's stable for two reasons, to take a break over Christmas and to generate sales in that period.
Both reasons are reasonable. TFPs have lives / families and they probably had a target of A17 out of the door before the end of the year.

For an EA title after 5 years and between 2 to 5 million copies sold but only an average player base of 20k (0.57% vs sold copies) to generate new income you need a big point release such as A17 whether it is ready or not. Sales will spike, player number will increase sharply then tail off as per previous alpha's and TFPs get another injection of money to keep 7DTD going for a while longer for hardcore fans :)
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You nailed it. It's also probably the reason they decided to use 14 months development cycles without releasing anything, because from a marketing point of view releasing a huge kraken in one piece has more impact on sales than by releasing smaller updates left and right. The sad thing is that it creates a sort of tunnelvision where you dig deeper and deeper in one direction, and I feel this direction clearly made some strong points of the game fade while trying to capitalize on systems that a lot of other games are already using (and way better).

The more and more 7DTD progresses, the more and more I hate the fact Madmole's favourite game is Skyrim. Because I feel a lot of the overhauls happening in A17 are trying to mimick systems that games like Skyrim provide, at the expense of systems that made 7DTD unique.

 
I think they did the right thing. They are going to be resting for holidays, as they should. So, I prefer to know I can put a little effort into a game BC of no imminent new releases.
Sure, the game isn't really stable now, but what is your alternative?...
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Whats my alternative? That's pretty simple, how hard would it have been for Joel to come on the forums and post something such as this:

"Greetings everyone! First of all I would just like to say thank you for all the support and feedback (both positive and negative) about A17, which as you all know has been our biggest update of the game yet! It has been a long 14 months of development on this update and the holiday season is finally here. While Alpha 17 is currently not where we would like it to be, we would just like to let you know that we feel we have gotten B240 to a state that has no major game breaking bugs, and as such we be leaving it in this build for the holiday season. The next build will probably be late January-Early February as we are taking some time off after our hard work over the past year. Happy Holidays, see everyone in the New Year!"

THAT is my alternative, if TFP posted that, or something along those lines I would be happy with what i have. Its not the game I'm upset with, its the fact that they wont be straight up and tell it like it is.

To me, STABLE means a game is done for this alpha. So I would expect the next update to be A18 or maybe an emergency update once for A17 Stable because something major turned up. This is not the case, we all know it, the current build is FAR FROM ALPHA 18 so why label it in a manner that would suggest that is what build to expect next.

/rant

 
Yes unfortunately. Did a clean install when stable launched, and it's been the worst of the bunch not sure why especially since my game runs so great outside of the hitching.
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Lets see if more ppl report the same problem.

 
Always with the invitations to stop playing. There ought to be a forum law... Well I'm no child, and I also noted the stretch. "'stable', huh? Did I just go through a time warp?"
You're right, Deme, and I think SoulCast probably has the reason. Stable was rushed. There were reasons. That, in the real world, is that. They're probably not trying to fool us as much as trying to button up for the holidays without regard for the sanctity of definitions. It is a bit insulting. As you grow older and more jaded, bullsh** like this will bother you less. :p
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Nothing Jaded about my post.

I meant it when I said the OP may want to wait a month before playing again.

By then many of the current issues will have been addressed.

Also your comment about Stable being rushed..... yeah of course it was.

It's Christmas.

TFP worked hard, released something for us to play with over the holidays, and then took a break.

What's wrong with that?

What I find insulting is a post like yours with claims you're older and jaded bull**** bothers you less and yet that jaded stuff perfectly describes your own comment.

 
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I think they did the right thing. They are going to be resting for holidays, as they should. So, I prefer to know I can put a little effort into a game BC of no imminent new releases.
Sure, the game isn't really stable now, but what is your alternative? And making them work during the holidays is not a valid response. So, take it like yourself said, an unstable stable, just to let us know we can play a bit longer without new releases.

If you want more stable, you need to play 16.4 . But holidays are for everybody
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We could just have easily played B204 as experimental while they took the holidays off.

My fear is the people that purposefully avoided experimental to avoid badly broken mechanics and frequent major changes and world wipes. Now those people will scream bloody murder when they get all of that in a "stable" re;ease. yes I know Alpha 16 went to 16.4 so the stable did have a few wipes. But, original 16 was in much better shape than original 17.

Anyway, I hope for the best and if nothing else that TFP will not do many wipes during this phase and instead save up fixes and pop a lot of them at once so there is leaa moaning.

 
Is the christmas stuff a limited time thing?
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Even if it is, so long as the Candy Cane shiv stays in the XML's and we can Mod it back in after Christmas I'll be happy.

That's literally my favourite item in the game now!

 
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