zombie4hire
Refugee
I play dead is dead, so probably no matter to me. If I try to play after death then I want to be able to choose no penalty. Dying is enough already.
PC Death Penalty Poll
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RestInPieces
Refugee
Damn it, now you make me quote myself again and Lucky will post another gif to make fun of me
But ignoring an exploit in a core mechanic is not a "playstyle", it is just a choice and not even a playstyle choice, but a meta choice. And you made the choice to do so - but that doesn't change the fact that it is still there. If any each of us had a unique "playstyle", as you call it, and the devs designed the game so that we chose what mechanic/rule to not exploit/use/ignore etc, we wouldn't really have a survival/TD/building/crafting game.
Do not confuse playstyle freedom with bad design/abstract rules and mechanics. Playstyle freedom is having ways to play differently under the mechanics/rules etc that the game offers, nothing more, nothing less.
These exploits were used by everyone I know or met in MP. No surprise there. It's just that some used them more than others. Only in PvP servers most players would care more about wellness because dying and dropping your items for other people to steal was a consequence. I'd agree if you are talking about PvP. A streamer is unlikely to do it for obvious reasons - streamers offer a show and a show with trivialized gameplay isn't much of a show.
And for your last sentence it's more like:
"Let's create more interesting gameplay for both the majority and the minority, even if the minority disagrees". A statement backed up by real numbers.
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Question: How exactly is the death penalty supposed to improve gameplay?
My experience goes like this: I died. My character was effectively reset to level 1 as every attribute was reduced to 1 with a duration of 1 hour (aka a full day/night cycle, though that is now cut in half). That eliminated my extra inventory space, my newly gained crafting skills, and my extra stamina (among other things).
I stopped playing and have not played again since the new experimental came out because I didn’t want to deal with starting over again.
From my point of view, the death penalty appears to designed to tell to me that I should just stop playing the game for half an hour after death. I cannot go get my backpack without being massively encumbered. I cannot stay at home and craft because my crafting skills have been taken away.
This is an incredibly frustrating way to penalize death.
This is why I want the option to easily remove this annoying penalty from the game.
My experience goes like this: I died. My character was effectively reset to level 1 as every attribute was reduced to 1 with a duration of 1 hour (aka a full day/night cycle, though that is now cut in half). That eliminated my extra inventory space, my newly gained crafting skills, and my extra stamina (among other things).
I stopped playing and have not played again since the new experimental came out because I didn’t want to deal with starting over again.
From my point of view, the death penalty appears to designed to tell to me that I should just stop playing the game for half an hour after death. I cannot go get my backpack without being massively encumbered. I cannot stay at home and craft because my crafting skills have been taken away.
This is an incredibly frustrating way to penalize death.
This is why I want the option to easily remove this annoying penalty from the game.
RestInPieces
Refugee
I agree encumbrance with death is problematic. Even if I was always asking for an encumbrance system, they should make one that doesn't make the player open his inventory to see how many slots he has left etc and doesn't make you re-arrange the inventory when dying, turning the lost slots into "take only" slots.
OzHawkeye
Community Moderator
Ok, well, I'm going to labour the point here, but YOU DO have an option to EASILY remove the death penalty from the game.
Now, maybe the Pimps will put an In-game Options menu option for it, but even without that, you could edit one text file and reduce the penalty to 1 second in about 5 keystrokes.
I don't believe that can escape the adjective "easy" in any way. I'm happy to show you how to do it too, if you like.
Rockspider
Refugee
Death penalty is a pointless exercise in my mind. To me your dead and start a new or you re-spawn and carry on and go and try collect your stuff.
Rockspider
Refugee
I agree with you.
Easiest way to by pass it In game while playing single player. Enable cheats in main start menu, Then in game press F1 type "dm" enter then any time you wish to reset press "q" for god mode then "q" again to disable sorted
Roland
Community Moderator
lol...nah.. These polls are just to spur conversation and let this community see how this community feels about different issues. This poll was never going to drive development. I've never sent one of our polls over to the devs. As you say, they are flawed and nonrepresentative of the whole player base. TFP wouldn't make decisions off of it either way. It was forum members asking me for this poll-- not TFP. You've said it yourself many times, if Joel likes it then it's in and if Joel doesn't like it it's out. Your best bet is that as he continues to play he decides that the buff is horrible and the most he can take of it is 10 minutes or he removes it completely. So far-- he still likes it.
Tell you what PooJam...how about you design a poll about the new perk system and level gates. See if you can come up with as fair a poll as possible despite your own bias and post the questions in this thread. I'll take them and create the next poll on the next issue. Then there will be no question in your mind that it is some shell game by TFP or me or anyone remotely friendly to said parties.
rykon1459918
Refugee
I would just love a simple slider put into the pre-game menu like other features such as day length, air drops etc.
You want the 60 minute debuff, have it, 30 minutes no issue, 10 minutes sure, don't want it at all turn the slider to 0 minutes.
That way everyone can play the game they want, the hardcore players still get the massive drawback of dying and the casuals like myself can either turn it off or leave it low.
My issue is I have with the current death system is I play with friends once a week for 3 hours (we are all over 30 have families and commitments), making one of the players feel useless for 1/3 of our total weekly game-time, just because they accidentally feel onto a spike trap or got swarmed by wolves feels really horrible.
It encourages us as a group to either mod it out or as some players have suggested just move on to another game we can play as a group that more casual friendly.
You want the 60 minute debuff, have it, 30 minutes no issue, 10 minutes sure, don't want it at all turn the slider to 0 minutes.
That way everyone can play the game they want, the hardcore players still get the massive drawback of dying and the casuals like myself can either turn it off or leave it low.
My issue is I have with the current death system is I play with friends once a week for 3 hours (we are all over 30 have families and commitments), making one of the players feel useless for 1/3 of our total weekly game-time, just because they accidentally feel onto a spike trap or got swarmed by wolves feels really horrible.
It encourages us as a group to either mod it out or as some players have suggested just move on to another game we can play as a group that more casual friendly.
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joeevaristo
Refugee
Given the obnoxious comments that come later, I hope this doesn't sound too snarky, but... wouldn't the obvious solution be to retain debuffs after death and add the risk of acquiring disease after dying to discourage teleportation?
Yeah, I think the list of options in the UI is a bit sparse. I probably wouldn't add a lot to that list--it wouldn't take too many to be overwhelming--but I generally agree with your list.
Once again, modding has been a pain in the ass when we have tried to do it with our group game. I want an option to remove this lousy penalty when setting up the game, much like I set day length.
Alternately, TFP could try implementing a death penalty that doesn’t totally ruin the gameplay experience. Most games have a death penalty like XP debt or a resource cost for a reason - because punishing your players by making their character unable to do most fun or useful activities for 30 minutes is just about the worst possible gameplay that you can have as a death penalty.
Royal Deluxe
Refugee
Perfect !
If i shoot a player, i shoot him.
I completly dislike it when people respawn in PVP.
(This ability is the reason for so much senseless kill on sight)
I think that for devs it is very important to be continuous in ideas and move towards it step by step ... in the long term perspective it will attract more people than adjusting everything according to the current mood of the players. Players are humans, it is normal for them even don't understand what they want
. For many people it may seem that "this, this, and this" would be better, easier, less stressful; however, after the implementation of this stuff the game suddenly (magically? Its psychology) becomes less interesting and people leave. People need a burden of restrictions to fight with their laziness, however, the real joy of the gaming process comes only when player has defeated the laziness, built some skills and achieved results he is proud of. And I believe in the current state 7DTD can give players that.
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RestInPieces
Refugee
I haven't seen anyone argue about it tbh. It makes sense to remove it for PvP deaths.
I like for there to be a severe penalty to death that lasts at least half a game day. I'm not sure this penalty that exists now is the right one, though. Forgetting how to craft/do things just doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather see lost xp or something (no deleveling but maybe the next 30k xp you earn will get absorbed by the debuff), and/or a hit to max health/max stam/stam regen.