PC Cornbread is objectively inferior

Crater Creator

Crater Creator

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I searched and didn't see this mentioned anywhere.  I know many have discussed Living Off the Land and other changes to food in A20, but I wanted to focus on one lasting oddity in particular.


Corn on the Cob


Cornbread


ingredients


ingredients


1 ear of corn


1 cornmeal


1 boiled water


1 boiled water


effects


effects


+10 food


+10 food


+5 health


+5 health


-5 water


-5 water


+10 max stamina


+10 max stamina



And to craft 1 cornmeal requires 1 ear of corn.  Therefore, the only difference between these two items, as foods, is that cornbread requires an extra step.  It's also counterintuitive to me that these two would have the same effect on hydration (-5 water).

Maybe cornbread should be merged with cornmeal (or more accurately corn flour, given the recipes where it's used).  Then the distinction is clearer: if you want to turn raw corn into a 'good' food to eat by itself, make corn on the cob.  If you want to turn it into a refined crafting ingredient, make cornmeal.  This would eliminate the extra step for tuna fish gravy on toast and chili dogs, which currently you actually have to cook once to make the cornbread and then re-cook to make the finished product.  If you want something more in the style of down-home fresh baked comfort food, you can still make blueberry pie or pumpkin bread with the cornmeal.

As is, cornbread's role in gameplay is extraneous.

 
You could also just remove CotC? Not that I would really suggest such.

I'm more triggered by the fact that a single corn is now worth the same as 5 meat as a basic food item. Not that meat is hard to come by, it tends to find itself to me just fine.

 
Maybe for when you find cornmeal as a loot item, instead of corn?

I've had that happen plenty of times, but seriously anything that requires water should not decrease hydration.

 
Darthjake said:
Maybe for when you find cornmeal as a loot item, instead of corn?

I've had that happen plenty of times, but seriously anything that requires water should not decrease hydration.
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Go nosh some corn bread without anything to drink irl some time and enjoy the dry mouth.

 
hiemfire said:
Go nosh some corn bread without anything to drink irl some time and enjoy the dry mouth.
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Sure, sure.  But my stipulation was more that cornbread is intuitively drier than corn on the cob.  The stats shouldn’t be the same… and yet, cornbread takes more effort to make, so it shouldn’t be worse than corn on the cob, either.

So forget cornbread.  You just use cornmeal wherever you’d use cornbread now.  Cornmeal’s stats would be somewhere between where it is now and cornbread’s stats, with its crafting time adjusted if necessary.  I think all would agree that eating cornmeal with no water would be dehydrating.  Then, for corn on the cob, make its stats match boiled meat instead of charred meat, since boiling is how you’re cooking it.

 
i think a content compromise would be the corn on the cob should be +5 water..

makes sense cornmeal would be -5

 
Could compromise and have it where one gives the jar back and the other depletes it.  Maybe make the cornbread allow you to keep the jar, as a reward for the extra step(s)

 
Not all cornbread is created equal.  There are very moist recipes of cornbread as well as very dry ones.  I greatly prefer the moist recipes, personally (the ones with actual corn in them are some of the best).  Clearly this game only allows you to make one of the dryer variants.

Cornbread should provide a greater nutrient value than corn on the cob.

Corn on the cob should not have a negative water value.  Hydrated corn actually has a reasonably high water content.  Eating dry corn is a good way to choke and die. :p

 
Crater Creator said:
Cornmeal’s stats would be somewhere between where it is now and cornbread’s stats, with its crafting time adjusted if necessary.
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How about corn on the cob doesn'T need water? And no cooking pot?
Honestly the last time I was camping you just pierce a stick through it and hold it over the fire.

So +10 food, +5 health -5 water

cornbread needs a cooking pot, water and gives
+10 food, +10 health, -5 water

 
Cornbread is used as an ingredient for other recipes (like Chilli Dog) and is not for eating unless you're desperate.

 
Perhaps, the corn on the cob should instead have jar of water as the crafting ingredient and fulfill thirst meter. While the cornbread can keep the thirst penalty but be more nutritious. 

 
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