PC Cooking has now become obsolete
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bobrpggamer
Refugee
I agree and this could go further as I stated before, by needing refrigeration for fresh food. You could start with a ice cooler and some snow or ice and this would keep fresh food for about 3-5 days, upgrade to a beverage cooler and you can keep fresh food for 7-10 days, then have the food poisoning and maybe other effects as well based on how long the food has spoiled after the 3-5 days for the ice cooler and 7-10 days for the beverage cooler (or hopefully another fridge like in A16). Then the food poisoning chance would be based on how long the food has spoiled.I suggest implementing spoilable food by increasing the food poisoning chance over the age of the meal.
I would like to see expiration dates on canned goods as well, given a date on the can food from say 2-24 weeks or something based randomly and after the expiration date you can get food poisoning at that point on, say 1% chance 1 week after expiration and accumulating the chance every day or week from then on.
This would put the food poisoning to a realistic real world system and make it a little more challenging as well, by needed to keep an eye on your food.
As a side note people that screw with other peoples food are the scum of the earth, this is from experience.
Sorry but I have had this happen all the time when I buy food at stores and eat out. these people are some of the lowest form of garbage that exists.
I have eaten some things that were made for me in restaurants that would make someone literally sick if it happening to them, there is no excuse for this
Sorry but I have had this happen all the time when I buy food at stores and eat out. these people are some of the lowest form of garbage that exists.
I have eaten some things that were made for me in restaurants that would make someone literally sick if it happening to them, there is no excuse for this
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Viktoriusiii
Refugee
I get the sarcasm. And I like the overeating mechanic as well. But lets be absolutely real here.
Lets say I do not have any more vitamins, since I already used them all, because I don't go into fortitude.
I have 160stamina (210 effectively) and I come home after one day of mining.
I am now at 40 stamina. I need 3 of the top tier foods (chili dogs or sham chowder) to be full again.
That is a near 12% chance of needing to eat double that. Okay its fine, but the question is:
WHAT is the gameplay purpose?
This is the best food you can get. so every 10 days you are going to get food poisoning (roughly), where is the benefit here?
WHAT does this add to the game, except that it is a ressource dump?
THIS should be the real question. What does this system add? And could it be so much more?
Again and again, because I feel like its beeing ignored when I say that:
I like food poisoning. I was one of the first who said that it would be the only way to validate cans.
I always play on the highest difficulty and rarely ever die. I like to have a challenge.
What I am saying is, that this food poisoning, how it is currently implemented IS NOT FUN.
It is not a challenge, since I always have enough back up food. And it does not add anything but frustration and a ressource dump.
And the worst thing is, that it is random. So there is no way to plan for it. Either you waste a vitamin pill for 2 stews or you are rolling the dice twice.
You said you didn't like the current version either. So why are you still defending it as if its the greatest thing since blood moon?
Kalen
Refugee
To make you make decisions. Buy iron gut, find more vitamins, stick to canned foods.... etc.
It's been said before many of the challenges in the game are not fun. Reloading a weapon is not fun... waiting for a broken leg to heal is not fun.... blowing up your gyrocopter with a stray shot is not fun.
But thats what a survival game is, isn't it? Dealing with unexpected situations.... sometimes by doing something creative.... sometimes by just stockpiling more food than you think you're going to need.
ZombieSurvivor
Banned
Really lol..... Lots of good points have been brought up in this thread. just sayin'.
Viktoriusiii
Refugee
That is the biggest pile of bull I think I've ever read from you... and I was there in your edgy phase
I know you are just handwaving me away with a ridicoulus example, but lets take them at face value and compare them, shall we?
Zombies doing damage to you:
1. does it add to the challenge? (since all of you think that is the only important question for a mechanic in a survival game)
Yes. For obvious reasons.
2. does it add to the gameplay and does it connect to other mechanics??
Yes. Death is a possibility so you will be more cautious, you will try and dodge and predict zombie swings, you will sneak and you will need to heal. (so healing all the perks, sneaking, sound, xp and more)
3. Is there counterplay to beeing hit?
Yes. Playing cautiously and preparing well means you are nearly never hit and if you are, if you are only hit once or twice it doesnt matter all that much. Healing can be done via so many methods (healing items are abundant, food heals you, perks heal you, fortified grip heals you...) *edit*also armor/movespeed, how much ammo do you have and much more.
4. Is it fun? If you overcome the challenge and stand tall at the end of a Tier V building or hordenight YES it does. Otherwise you'd just stand still and shoot.
now lets take food poisoning:
1. does it add to the challenge?
Meh... probably for the majority. I personally never run out of food, even if I try, but I'm not the majority so I'll say yes.
2. does it add to the gameplay and does it connect to other mechanics?
No. You just have to eat more of it. Meaning the only thing it does do is more challenge. Maybe vitamins and one specific perk.
3. Is there counterplay?
Only if you count prevention (that you can not always do and never feels like you need it since the chance is so small) with vitamins or iron gut. If you have it, the only thing you can do is eat again.
4. Is it fun? No. I do not feel like I did something special after not beeing food poisoned. I do not feel special for "wasting" vitamins or perkpoints.
So there. Beeing hit is well integrated into this game, connects well to other mechanics, is rewarding, changes the playstyle, has counterplay and is fun when overcome.
Food poisoning... is a ressource dump to artificially create challenge where there is none.
Thank you for your time, I'm here all week.
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Roland
Community Moderator
1) Does it add to the challenge?
It can situationally. For example, in the early days when you don't have backup food and then you are suddenly thrust into panic mode and the plans you had get supplanted by the immediate survival goal of not starving. Or if you don't plan well and are caught mid quest with a now empty stomach and no food to try and complete the rest of the quest. That is the thing about survival games--if you make an error in judgement you run the risk of getting caught flat footed against random bad events-- unless there are no random bad events because someone has no tolerance for punishment of any kind in a game...
2) Does it add to the gameplay?
Again it definitely can depending on your preparation and caution. Not everyone is always prepared and not everyone remembers to be cautious all the time so when player error happens and then vomiting follows there can be some tense gameplay and anxiety about getting back to fullness again. You know...just like getting hit by a zombie. If you have bandages set on your belt and/or some pills and water on hand then there is really no gameplay to speak of more than what you mentioned. Pop a pill and drink some water or use a bandage and there is no challenge. But....get caught without those preparations and now you are trying to finish a quest without getting hit even once again and that brings the challenge.
3) Is there counterplay?
The vomit itself is like a huge hit from a zombie. You don't counterplay off of the hit itself you recover your health after the damage is applied and that is the counterplay. Sometimes it will be easy because you are well prepared. Sometimes it will be more challenging because you have to run back to your base for extra medical supplies and every vulture will be attracted to you on the way. Same with vomit. The vomit event happens and then your stamina and recovery stats take a big hit and the counterplay is recovering. If you have a bunch of canned food or more cooked meals right away then there is no challenge-- but if you don't then you're going to experience some challenging disruption to your current plans as you work to recover. Even though food poisoning seems closer in concept to being infected than it does to taking physical damage in practice it is nothing like infection. It is a single instant event like getting hit and not an ongoing effect like infection so you can't really accurately compare the counterplay of food poisoning to infection because they are unlike each other.
4) Is it fun?
Shame on you. Of course it is fun for those who like it and unfun for those who don't. I personally love the uncertainty I feel when I eat now and when I successfully get my fullness back up to above my stamina max without vomiting I feel a pleasing relief. And when it does happen I will recover however I can and my plans will get disrupted which could lead to other mistakes which could cause the game to suddenly get very challenging.
5) Is it a punishment?
Damn straight. Get used to it. Not every event in the game is designed to make you feel special. Sometimes you just get hammered and then the striving to recover is its own intrinsic reward if you are successful.
I'm here all week and twice on Tuesdays.
Viktoriusiii
Refugee
Again. Not against punishing the player. Nothing against obstacles. But they need to be balanced, fair (easy=/= fair) and need to give a sort of accomplishment when overcome.
This foodpoisoning does give you a challenge on day 1-7, but even then you can just buy canned food... which misses the whole point.
What this system is MEANT to do (or at least how I think it is meant to be) is that you should have canned foods as a great alternative (25-40 food), but they are rare and give no benefits. Cooked food should always give benefits (+5 stamina for 30 min; +5 to loot in the next hour; whatever) and should give the same amount of stamina BUT have food poisoning. This you can either prevent by using vitamins/perks OR after you got it (either antibiotics or some other way that slows it down). Also it should be more integral to the gameplay.
All you basicially said was: "but there is a small bit of it..." but it could be so much more, instead of this half finished, annoying system that adds nothing.
I take it back... I might need a break after explaining something so obvious to someone who seems to just wants to go against me for the sake of going against me.
Ghostlight
Refugee
Those buffs will have to mind-blowing or else this would be a major waste of time and effort. Wellness used to make recipes matter a lot. But like all the great things that used to be in the game, it was replaced by inferior mechanics. Food and recipes mean nothing now.
Viktoriusiii
Refugee
that certainly is A problem, but that can be fixed by adjusting loot tables.
What I am talking about is an overarching problem with the way this foodpoisoning is designed.
You can't fix that with tweaks to numbers.
Sure you can tweak the numbers so its not AS annoying and not AS pointless.
But in the end it will still be "eat so that you can eat more and waste your ressources", instead of a well thoughtout system that integrates well into the games mechanics.
Alphado-Jaki
Refugee
Yeah, but they believe only benefit aspect is not finished.
See how Roland and Gazz defend current food poisoning, they seriously believing as food benefit (or spoiling) fix current complaints of food poisoning without any fix for itself.
Roland
Community Moderator
I'm not going against you for the sake of going against you. Your problem is that you see your opinion as so self-evident and so true that you cannot fathom someone else disagreeing with your premise so it must be a personal attack against you. A forum is meant to allow different viewpoints to be expressed so that readers can decide what they like but if you always post with this attitude that your viewpoint is the gospel truth and anyone who believes contrary is just out to get you then you will always be frustrated.
You often post that the devs don't listen to you but just dismiss you out of hand. What if they did listen to you and considered what you said and still disagreed? Sorry, Vik, but if you believe you have THE ANSWER then please create a mod or get one of the modders to listen to your ideas and see if they feel as passionate about it as you do.
I understand that the game doesn't play exactly the way you want it to and you see that as poor design instead of your personal preferences not being met.
Roland
Community Moderator
Canned food will have zero risks but just give minimal health and stamina recovery.
Cooked foods will have minimal risks but give significant health and stamina recovery and beneficial timed buffs as well.
If the buffs are good enough then we'll have more people risking it. We already have people risking it because they see the benefits of the signficant health and stamina recovery. Some people will never risk it because they can't overcome the anxiety of the random chance. For them there will always be vending machines.