PC Bacon and eggs

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Krougal

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I feel like early game food consumption always is the same, first few days eat pretty much anything you can find, even old sham sammich if you've got a goldenrod tea handy.

Then it's bacon and eggs for a few weeks. The meat recipes not giving a good return and the boiled egg being terribly wasteful, there really isn't anything else viable.

Which means hitting pretty much every birds nest you see, and pray for eggs. There are just never enough. I even buy them anytime the trader has them if I can. Later on there are some interesting things to be made, but who has the eggs. Especially when by then do you really want to get off your motorcycle to stop for birds nests?

I finally got tired of it and modded in a better chance for a few more eggs, but I was just curious what other people think.

Another idea I had been tossing around was to make the recipe use just 1 egg. Now I can hear the screams from some of you already "but it's bacon and EGGS, plural", yes it is, but are the ingredients really 1 of a thing or just an unspecified unit? Now most of us would probably say 1 egg is 1 egg, 1 potato is 1 potato, etc. Great. What about meat? What is 1 meat? An ounce? A pound? We don't get an awful lot from an animal. Maybe it is pounds? But then 5 lbs of bacon is an awful lot of bacon for 1 meal. I mean I love my bacon but I couldn't eat 5 lbs in 1 sitting. Of course knowing how literal the overwhelming majority of y'all here take things, I doubt this will be a popular choice.

Oh, it's a very simple modlet, but if anyone is interested:

https://github.com/Krougal/More-Eggs

I meant to give an equal chance of 1-2 eggs/vs extra feathers but it can pick twice, so you could get from 1 feather and up to 4 eggs or just feathers. Still get none fairly often, so I feel like it is averaging out to like 1 per nest.

I decided it was too much. I added a single egg as a guaranteed spawn (just like a single feather) and then left the additional loot unchanged (so more likely to get more feathers than eggs).

 
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Krougal said:
The meat recipes not giving a good return and the boiled egg being terribly wasteful, there really isn't anything else viable.
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Has the math changed? It used to be 10 food for a grilled meat, and 10 for a boiled egg, so 30 total for the separate crafts; bacon and eggs giving 36, so a 20% increase. Not nothing, but if you're out of eggs at those numbers, you'd just eat the meat?

 
I've usually got lots of eggs, but then I go hunting and foraging at night during the early game. I need the feathers for my arrows. Each nest tends to give 1 egg, sometimes 2, sometimes none.

I could see where if you didn't go foraging you might not have enough eggs. They're sometimes for sale at the trader, if you're playing with traders.

 
theFlu said:
Has the math changed? It used to be 10 food for a grilled meat, and 10 for a boiled egg, so 30 total for the separate crafts; bacon and eggs giving 36, so a 20% increase. Not nothing, but if you're out of eggs at those numbers, you'd just eat the meat?
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Yeah, I just checked. 10 food for 5 meat or 1 egg. If you look at it that way, the recipe is very reasonable. I guess eating the meat by itself isn't so horrible; better than starving.

Never enough eggs though. Especially since at some point you will either use steel/exploding arrows/bolts or firearms, but you stop using feathers.

zztong said:
I've usually got lots of eggs, but then I go hunting and foraging at night during the early game. I need the feathers for my arrows. Each nest tends to give 1 egg, sometimes 2, sometimes none.

I could see where if you didn't go foraging you might not have enough eggs. They're sometimes for sale at the trader, if you're playing with traders.
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If I'm looking for nests, I have a hard time finding them. When I'm trying to get from point A to B quickly is when I feel like I see lots of them. Still, I always seem to have an overabundance of feathers but never eggs.

I did mention the trader yes.

 
In the first couple of days, I might be low on eggs, but I hit every nest I run across for the first week or so to make sure I have plenty of eggs.  I might still be low on eggs, but not so low that I can't make enough bacon and eggs to keep me fed.  As soon as I can start making meat stew, vegetable stew, and steak and potatoes, I almost never use eggs again.

 
I found grilled meat to be the simplest food source. Animal tracker level 1 to scan for rabbits and chickens during the day, snakes at night. Deers when you can get them. Huntsman to increase the meat you get from each kill. Master Chef to reduce the meat requirement for each grilled slice. Iron gut if you like to increase the benefit. I ate anything I looted pretty much immediatly to save space. I only switched to bacon and eggs once I felt I had a good backlog of eggs - nests being easier to spot once you have a bike.

My brother never used animal tracker up until I did when we played together; he used to think if it wasn't at least bacon and eggs then it was a waste of meat. Suddenly he had a whole box of meat in the base and didn't mind frying up a stack of grilled steaks on the fly. Next time we played he took level 1 in Animal Tracker as well.

 
Treb said:
Never really had that problem, I get plenty of eggs from nests. 
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Yeah, I'm surprised that most of you think it's plenty, although 10 people is too small a sample size really.

I always felt like I was not quite keeping up and at the point I don't need feathers anymore, I really don't want to be going out of my way looking for nests only to be disappointed getting 1 egg from like 5-10 nests. I don't really use as many arrows these days either, which may have something to do with it, I feel like they nerfed the bow to be as @%$#ty as the pipe weapons and I only really use it for pulling sleepers. 

I think I went overboard, but it's hard to tell really without starting a new game since I am at the steak and potato stage.

I reduced it to 1 egg guaranteed and the rest default. Yes, I know no one cares, but come Halloween I will have lots of eggs to throw at everyone (Is that still a thing anymore? I guess not with the post-covid price of eggs)

 
Krougal said:
Yeah, I'm surprised that most of you think it's plenty, although 10 people is too small a sample size really.

I always felt like I was not quite keeping up and at the point I don't need feathers anymore, I really don't want to be going out of my way looking for nests only to be disappointed getting 1 egg from like 5-10 nests. I don't really use as many arrows these days either, which may have something to do with it, I feel like they nerfed the bow to be as @%$#ty as the pipe weapons and I only really use it for pulling sleepers. 

I think I went overboard, but it's hard to tell really without starting a new game since I am at the steak and potato stage.

I reduced it to 1 egg guaranteed and the rest default. Yes, I know no one cares, but come Halloween I will have lots of eggs to throw at everyone (Is that still a thing anymore? I guess not with the post-covid price of eggs)
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Seems like you have way worse luck than I do, I'd say I get an egg every 2nd nest or so.

When I actually loot the nest as I pass by them, I usually get 15-20 eggs a day early game.

 
I said no changes because I think there is a better third option... more recipes involving eggs and meat.  Meat, eggs, and potatoes make a hash, for instance.  Or maybe have a "Mega Breakfast" that uses more of the same ingredients but offer more healing and food (4 eggs and 10 meat, maybe).  Obviously, there could also be a "Mini Breakfast" or something of the sort that is simply a single egg and some meat (2 or 3, I'd think).  Point is that I think the best solution is more recipes involving the same ingredients.

EDIT: I'd also suggest that there be a way to create a recipe that could take a selectable number of each ingredient and use a formula to figure the outcome based on quantities of each ingredient.  So adding more eggs to the same meat might improve healing while more meat with fewer eggs might mean more food gained, or something like that.  It might not even have to get too complicated with the interface.  There could simply be a simple 2x3 grid that you put ingredients into and the formula would churn out a result.  Then the list of recipes simply become a list to match ingredients to, stopping on the first one that matches all ingredients (or get fancy and have them select the recipe they intend to use).

I'm dreaming, but it could happen...

 
Maharin said:
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I'm dreaming, but it could happen...
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It's a good dream. I feel like the later, and to some extent, the earlier stages of cooking don't offer much variety, I'd love to see a wider array of food buffs/effects that would encourage us to mix up our diet. For example once we have the updated weather survival patch, it would be great so see a little heat/cold resist on food items such as what we hope to be a refreshing cup of tea, or possibly still-warm coffee.

 
Mister Forgash said:
It's a good dream. I feel like the later, and to some extent, the earlier stages of cooking don't offer much variety, I'd love to see a wider array of food buffs/effects that would encourage us to mix up our diet. For example once we have the updated weather survival patch, it would be great so see a little heat/cold resist on food items such as what we hope to be a refreshing cup of tea, or possibly still-warm coffee.
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They actually had that for a while where some foods would add heat or cold buffs (yucca juice helped versus heat and coffee helped versus cold, if I remember correctly).

 
I run out of eggs when I start making cakes and pies. Esp. Pumpkin Cheesecake, which uses beer instead of water when you do not yet have much use for beer. 

Then lategame I buy every can of peas I can find... and keep some cornbread for tuna toast and chili dogs. 

 
I can't eat the tuna gravy one.  The icon just looks so disgusting.

That said, I usually end up with enough eggs eventually.  But I also usually have over 1500 feathers by the end of the first week, as I loot every nest I see (even after I've got a bike.)

 
I don't have any issue with them looking at a food evaluation.

I admit I'm one who the pretty large variety currently offered is wasted on.

Early on - charred meat, cans, trader food, vending machine, whatever

Eventually once unlocked - bacon and eggs, backup grilled meat, backup all the rest above

Then I move on to stews and never look back.

I fully acknowledge that there are so many other food recipes already in game, but since they aren't necessary - just food and water values for the most part, I don't pay them much mind.

Now if they had a whole proteins, carbs, fats, vitamins, etc system a bit like Green Hell, or like watching those poor survivalists on the 'Alone' tv show, then I might be forced to actually pay attention.

 
Well, after a fresh start, I decided it was too much. So instead of an extra egg for sure, I went to a 50% chance of an extra; which is probably still higher odds than the 2 low chances to get 0-2 each by default.

 
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Krougal said:
Well, after a fresh start, I decided it was too much. So instead of an extra egg for sure, I went to a 50% chance of an extra; which is probably still higher odds than the 2 low chances to get 0-2 each by default.
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Looking at the Nest, there are 2 chances for an egg. The eggs are listed as "medLow" in loot.xml which is a probability of 0.35.

If my math is right, this means there is a 1.0-0.35 = 0.65 of NOT getting an egg on each of the two chances.

That means there's 0.65 * 0.65 = 0.4225 chance of not getting an egg from both draws.

So, there's a 1.0 - 0.4225 = 0.5775 or 57.75% chance of getting at least one egg from a nest.

If you make the egg probability 50% (aka "med"), then...

1.0-((1-0.5)^2) = 0.75 ... or a 75% chance of getting at least one egg.

If you make the egg probability 63% (aka "medHigh"), then...

1.0-((1-0.63)^2) = 0.8631 ... 86.31% chance of getting at least one egg.

If you make the egg probability 75% (aka "high"), then...

1.0-((1-0.75)^2) = 0.9375 ... 93.75% chance of getting at least one egg.

I hope that helps in your tuning the loot list to suit your tastes.

 
I never have trouble with egg shortage. I play a normal difficulty and loot every nest I can find. I don't go out of the way to search for them except at the start. The main problem is meat, it's kind of hard to come by the first few days. Unless you get lucky.

 
Not sure if it is just in my mind but I find that when I am sprinting from place to place if I look slightly down at the ground when doing so I tend to notice nests more.

 
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