PC Anyone else hate vultures?

[Dracula]

Vultures are a pain in the @%$*#! in A19 but the real question is they are fun or not?

Let me tell you what happen to me and my friends  when we started A19... we spawn in Forrest but as was Nitrogen generated map we already saw the best place to build the base, so we started to walk naked near the point we saw at preview. Not far away we start getting into desert biome and those things start to attack, one of my friends die, so we wait for him there, while we wait another one appears and kill my other buddy, so there I was alone waiting for both of them, I manage to kill two vultures while waiting for them, and another two vultures wake up  when they take the corner at my side and those kill them again.

My friends instead @%$*#!ing about the Overpowered beasts they were laughing, it was fun and its all that matters in a game.

(On side note they were killed twice each at day two by a mini horde of 7 vultures in the city)

That may be fun if you're playing with a group of people that you can communicate with; but it's a completely different experience in single player.

"We laughed at them, so they're a good thing." is not an argument.  That's an avocation for multiplayer.

"They brought my 4x4 to a halt and reduced it to 20% health, caused me to be infected and suffered lacerations after barely traveling into the destroyed biome."  provides information as to WHY they're a problem.

You acknowledge how they can be overwhelming; but, apart from that, it doesn't explain how they render the vehicle that you go to great lengths to craft relatively useless and make certain biomes uninhabitable and difficult to traverse.

 

[Palad1n]

First of all:  I don't want to hear any "get good" or "it's supposed to be hard" excuses.  I hate that if I'm using a minibike; which sucks way too much gas, but that's a separate issue, I will be swarmed by vultures that are faster than me.  I have to periodically stop, wait for them to start to attack, pick them off, get back on the bike, rinse, and repeat. 

They also @%$*#! up horde night; if I'm leading a conga line of zombies; picking them off while running and trying to lure them over spikes, it breaks the flow to stop, circle the sky, kill the vulture, and go back to fighting the horde.  I fought over a dozen of the @%$*#!s on the day 21 horde and all they do is disrupt the flow of combat and make it so I'm looking for a mod to remove them.

OK, I hate to say it, but "get good" and learn to deal with ongoing threats. All I see here is your need/desire to simply dumb down the game from any challenges because the vultures "annoy you".  It's GREAT that they mess up your horde night, especially if you decide to run around outside trying to lead zeds over traps. The game isn't meant to be easy street. 

Sadly, many players like this one require easier settings and lack situational awareness. The same type of folks who complain about sleeper zeds when these folks run through POI's in heavy armor, thinking "Why do all the zeds just swarm to me!" due to all the noise you make while in heavy armor and not taking time to sneak around. 

Many players require blood-moon hordes to only walk or run, so they can line up their shots and feel proud for overcoming such a challenge. Pull up the big boy pants and learn how to play a survival game in the vein it was meant to be played. You will get zero sympathy here over Vultures actually doing what they were designed to do. 

 

[Dracula]

This is the exact type of useless post I didn't want to get.

My point isn't that I can't deal with them; it's that they're not BALANCED and are inconsistent with the game.  Just because they were designed to be overpowered interruptions does not mean that it's a GOOD thing or a positive change.  They weren't bad in A18, but their change in A19 turned them from "interesting game mechanic" to "aggravating nuisance."  If you can't hear them over the engine of a vehicle and don't notice them until they dive-bomb your vehicle; severely reducing its health, the only way to avoid them is random stops to scan the horizon for them; severely reducing the usefulness of the vehicles.

For horde night problems; its not that they're there, it's that after you kill them MORE will spawn and, since you can't see them spawn in you will have no way of knowing when to prepare for a threat.

You seem to be under the impression that I can't defeat them; that is not the case.  The fact of the matter is that there are legitimate issues to their balance and spawning problems in conjunction to their other attributes that make them nothing but an unpleasant detractor from gameplay.

Useless comments like "build a different type of base" or "learn to adapt" do not help anyone and do not lead to a better game.

 

[Outlaw_187]

So I'm sure you guys may have seen the other thread that kinda goes into how much of a pain vultures can be. I just learned there are "spitting vultures"??!! 

I'm told these are the radioactive ones who spit. Of all the complaining about the vultures I don't recall this being brought up?! 

I agree, vultures are a pain, however I can only imagine these fu*kers.......

 

[Dracula]

So I'm sure you guys may have seen the other thread that kinda goes into how much of a pain vultures can be. I just learned there are "spitting vultures"??!! 

I'm told these are the radioactive ones who spit. Of all the complaining about the vultures I don't recall this being brought up?! 

I agree, vultures are a pain, however I can only imagine these fu*kers.......

They piss me off, too, but they're less of an issue than the dive bombers.  On a vehicle, you can outrun their primary attack and it's not as much of a concern.  They can be a nuisance on horde night, but, again, the vomiting/spitting keeps them at a range where they're more manageable and do less damage.  I was also heavily armored by the time they showed up and, thus, less prone to lacerations, and armed with radiation-removing mods and a decent assortment of weapons.

I've yet to encounter one on a vehicle; but, now, I've also eliminated going to every biome where they spawn.

 

[Boidster]

The primitive bow is actually pretty powerful for a T1 when used properly.

I'm playing a jack-of-all-trades build in my first A19 world - just 1 point into all of the freebies. I'm amazed at how effective the T1 bow is with just one point in Hidden Strike. One-shot entire POIs with no fuss. I expect the damage multiplier to be somewhat nerfed in a patch. I would think I'd need 2 or 3 shots with a T1 and stone arrows to take down a Hawaiian shirt even with an initial sneak headshot.

I just learned there are "spitting vultures"??!! I'm told these are the radioactive ones who spit. Of all the complaining about the vultures I don't recall this being brought up?! I agree, vultures are a pain, however I can only imagine these fu*kers.......

These have been in the game for a while, but in A19 they seem to spawn in pretty aggressively if you're on a vehicle during horde night. Otherwise, you probably wouldn't see them until you get to a higher GS. If I read the XML correctly, they first show up in blood moon hordes at GS 74. As mentioned above they can also spawn in the wasteland and, bizarrely, at GS 5,778 (not a typo) in screamer hordes.

 

[FA_Q2]

5,778.....

When the hell is that going to happen, LOL.

 

[Dracula]

5,778.....

When the hell is that going to happen, LOL.

If all my playtime were put towards a single, cohesive character level; I could see it.

 

[Outlaw_187]

5,778.....

When the hell is that going to happen, LOL.

Maybe....and only maybe...when the game goes gold. How many hours, zombie kills, non deaths, and rack of experience would it take to reach game stage 5,778?!

Game on!! Gotta be a crazy azz achievement getting up so far in GS

Love your handle by the way...totally didn't get it till my 2nd look. FA_Q2.....good sh*t

 

[meganoth]

Maybe....and only maybe...when the game goes gold. How many hours, zombie kills, non deaths, and rack of experience would it take to reach game stage 5,778?!

Game on!! Gotta be a crazy azz achievement getting up so far in GS

Love your handle by the way...totally didn't get it till my 2nd look. FA_Q2.....good sh*t

I didn't look at the xml, but usually in code comma is used as a list separator, not as a method to make reading numbers easier for humans. So, might this just be gamestage 5 and gamestage 778?

My turrets aren't shooting at them either.  I'm starting to think the turrets don't even target them.  Sucks because I invested in several turrets to cover over head and they did squat.

Are you talking about junk turrets? Only the nearest junk turret will work (until fully perked) and if that turret looks into the other direction it won't shoot. Also not sure if their field of view includes much sky.

If you are talking about fixed shotgun or SMG turrets, there you can set their field of view. If you set that to look up they should be quite effective at vulture-hunting

 

[e1ghtbit]

I didn't look at the xml, but usually in code comma is used as a list separator, not as a method to make reading numbers easier for humans. So, might this just be gamestage 5 and gamestage 778?

Are you talking about junk turrets? Only the nearest junk turret will work (until fully perked) and if that turret looks into the other direction it won't shoot. Also not sure if their field of view includes much sky.

If you are talking about fixed shotgun or SMG turrets, there you can set their field of view. If you set that to look up they should be quite effective at vulture-hunting

I was using powered turrets aimed above my head.  4 of them fully powered.  Not a single shot fired but I certainly had heaps of vultures flying in their range.  I even had it set to shoot zombies and had em all turned on.  I'll try again when I get back around to it.

 

[Whorhay]

I was using powered turrets aimed above my head.  4 of them fully powered.  Not a single shot fired but I certainly had heaps of vultures flying in their range.  I even had it set to shoot zombies and had em all turned on.  I'll try again when I get back around to it.

Was the ammo locked in?

 

[gcomerfo]

I used to hate them!.. now... I LOVE to Hate them! 

Yes, they are pesky and like to irritate us.  That is precisely the point.  What else should you expect in a zombie apocalypse??

Look, keep a pistol or club ready on every roof top, and have same equipped on your bike ride thru Wasteland. 

Kill the @%$*#!s fast - harvest lots of that sweet rotten meat (for Hobo Stew!) and feathers and bones!!  I welcome them now.

[wow, the forum censored me above and it wasn't a swear word... lol]

 

[Boidster]

I didn't look at the xml, but usually in code comma is used as a list separator, not as a method to make reading numbers easier for humans. So, might this just be gamestage 5 and gamestage 778?

It is not. I added the comma for the post. It's just 5778 in the XML.

<gamestage stage="5778"><spawn group="sleeperHordeStageGS5778" num="85" maxAlive="256" duration="1"/></gamestage>

 

[e1ghtbit]

Was the ammo locked in?

I thought maybe it was but most likely not.  It's been a while since I've used turrets or a base at all.  I'll try that next time I play.

 

[Spatch]

Why do people assume that not liking one part of the game means you don't like any challenge?  For me, I will mod out the vehicle attacking vultures if I can figure it out but I'd also like to up zombie counts in random hordes and in the city.  So it isn't about "get gud" or me not liking a challenge - I just don't like some of the "challenges" such as homing vultures that destroy 4x4s.

 

[FileMachete]

Question as I'm not playing a19 yet: how much damage do the vultures actually do to minibikes/motorcycles/4x4s?

If they actually are taking a 4x4 down to 20% health in one attack that seems way over the top, and would expect if they did that much to a 4x4 the minibike would get fully damaged, i.e. not drivable until repaired.

Just having a hard time imagining that that level of vehicle damage is intended...

Could see TFPs intending for a mini vulture horde (4-6+?) to be able to disable vehicles if the player didn't stop and get out; if only for their stated intent to prevent just driving around on horde night. But other than a wandering vulture horde encounter during the normal days..

Side note: I am looking forward to a more in-depth vehicle damage mechanic, so running over a few zeds could result in flat tires, punctured radiator, etc.

 

[Kattla]

Why hate an endless supply of bones, rotten meat and feathers.

Link to Vedui's video on vulture farming.

 

[Demandred1957]

Absolutely hate them. I thought it was a good idea to replace the murder hornets with vultures. I however hate the heat seeking/guided hypersonic missiles that we have now. 

Got just the video for you then..Vedui made the video highlighting the broken a@@ vulture mobs, and here is his follow up..

 

[Kalen]

Got just the video for you then..Vedui made the video highlighting the broken a@@ vulture mobs, and here is his follow up..

Nerf incoming.... 3.... 2.... 1....