PC Announcing: A19 Streamer Weekend Application

[MrMadnessMD]

Unfair it decidedly is not. Unfair would be granting exceptions. The requirements are known and we accept all who meet them. I haven’t turned away a single person who has qualified. There is equal opportunity here. 

so if i was to apply as ive been a supporter since kickstart and trying to get my self off the ground and help with content i would be accepted right? but because i dont have a certain number of followers etc then i wouldnt.  let down.

 

[Roland]

so if i was to apply as ive been a supporter since kickstart and trying to get my self off the ground and help with content i would be accepted right?

Um...no. How is this even a question? How can you read the rules in the OP and come to the conclusion that being a supporter since kickstart or needing help with content to get off the ground are the requirements?

but because i dont have a certain number of followers etc then i wouldnt.

Not this at all. You wouldn't be accepted in the first place based on some other criteria and THEN rejected because of your numbers.

You would be accepted if you have 5000+ followers period. Anything else you might be or have is gravy. Followers is the only requirement we are considering. I'm not sure how to make it more clear, tbh.

 Like you, Vedui did not meet the requirement last time and did not participate. After employing his skill and talent for the past 6 months he is now in a position to be able to participate. Instead of asking for an exception....get to work. Put "A20 or bust!" on a sticky note and post it on your bathroom mirror.

 

[Laz Man]

Um...no. How is this even a question? How can you read the rules in the OP and come to the conclusion that being a supporter since kickstart or needing help with content to get off the ground are the requirements?

Not this at all. You wouldn't be accepted in the first place based on some other criteria and THEN rejected because of your numbers.

You would be accepted if you have 5000+ followers period. Anything else you might be or have is gravy. Followers is the only requirement we are considering. I'm not sure how to make it more clear, tbh.

 Like you, Vedui did not meet the requirement last time and did not participate. After employing his skill and talent for the past 6 months he is now in a position to be able to participate. Instead of asking for an exception....get to work. Put "A20 or bust!" on a sticky note and post it on your bathroom mirror.

Thanks Roland, imagine how "unfair" for Vedui (and other similar streamers) it would be if an exception were made for those who dont meet the standard that were set.

 

[meganoth]

Thanks Roland, imagine how "unfair" for Vedui (and other similar streamers) it would be if an exception were made for those who dont meet the standard that were set.

The word "unfair" is still suggesting that this is some kind of reward or present for streamers. If streamers had a press ID card, probably that would be used instead of a cutoff value.

 

[MrMadnessMD]

Um...no. How is this even a question? How can you read the rules in the OP and come to the conclusion that being a supporter since kickstart or needing help with content to get off the ground are the requirements?

Not this at all. You wouldn't be accepted in the first place based on some other criteria and THEN rejected because of your numbers.

You would be accepted if you have 5000+ followers period. Anything else you might be or have is gravy. Followers is the only requirement we are considering. I'm not sure how to make it more clear, tbh.

 Like you, Vedui did not meet the requirement last time and did not participate. After employing his skill and talent for the past 6 months he is now in a position to be able to participate. Instead of asking for an exception....get to work. Put "A20 or bust!" on a sticky note and post it on your bathroom mirror.

never mind. just watch this space.

 

[Guppycur]

I was satisfied with gazz's explanation last time... This is a promotional event and streamers are the promoters.  They gotta meet certain criteria.

...where the event fails is the key is given out to friends, patreons and subscribers and it's legit as long as they don't make their own vids and if the intention is those folks play on the stream. 

 

[Roland]

I wouldn’t say fails but I agree it is a gray area. We allow it for two reasons:

1) This game’s best quality is the amazing co-op gameplay it provides. We want people to see friends playing together so they can witness just how much fun this game is beyond solo and aside from the glut of PvP games on the market. We can only accomplish showing this side of the game if we allow streamers to play with their friends. 
 

2) Many streamers do their shows as teams and we discovered the first year we did this that it would be detrimental to force solo plays upon teams. BeardedGuysGaming were the first streamers recruited and we took both of them. 
 

We realize the system isn’t perfect but we also know that those who are against it will never be satisfied unless we just cancel the event. What we have as our criteria has resulted in a great event that is fun and exciting and a big part of that is allowing MP. 
 

But I absolutely understand the “It’s not what you know, it’s who you know” component. That can’t be honestly denied. 

 

[Vomgnar]

As a long time player, and slightly long time 7 Days to Die Video Guide creator who's just too busy to do it more than as a hobby, I'm just glad the requirements were the same this time! A18 I was a few hundred short, but it's been a good year and people have enjoyed Alpha 18 tremendously in my view!

So looking forward to joining this year, being the first from the lil Sunny Island of Singapore (although I'm European), to increase visibility in the Asia timezone

/Vedui https://youtube.com/vedui42

Congrats Vedui! Love your videos man!

 

[Solitary]

First of all I want to say that your streamer weekend doesn't really bother me. I will never participate, because I can wait those few days. But your insistent narrative of how it's so great bothers me, because it's completely self-indulgent and ignores lot of obvious issues. The really obvious one being that you split the community and make the paying customers feel like they matter less.

great event that is fun and exciting

But the big question is... is it more fun and exciting then actually playing the game? Maybe ask yourself what would happen if you released it to everyone at the same time, would people actually care about the event or is the event "great and fun" only because you baited players to watch it, just because they can't play the game yet (of course the answer is obvious, that is why you don't do it like that). I would suspect lot of the viewers that watch those streams are already owners of the game, so they are not even potential customers. That also begs the questions that it might be more harmful to spoil the new features to those impatient players instead of letting them to experience it on their own and I would argue this one might be potentially the most controversial and harmful issue. You could argue that they came to watch on their own, but you baited them to it, so let's not ignore that. This whole thing is poorly thought out IMHO, and I think there might be more (even if shallow and low intensity) harmful aspects to it than you might expect and it always leaves sour taste in mouths of lot of people that are hyped for the release of the game that they love.

As I said, even if I don't like it or agree, it doesn't really bother me, because I can just ignore it and wait it out and I barely notice. My whole point is that I am waiting instead of playing which is the main point of a video game and if anyone thinks that not playing is a good thing somehow... well... get your head checked out.

 

[Roland]

 

[beHypE]

Have you thought about enabling Twitch drops with keys like Valorant did ? It gives viewers even more incentive to watch the event, thus bloasting numbers and giving your game even more visibility. And it would feel way less "frustrating" for those who can't take it to wait 4 more days. Hell, you might even make me watch if I might get a key by watching a stream. Right now i'm just shrugging it off and waiting for the upcoming week. 

 

[SnowDog1942]

always leaves sour taste in mouths of lot of people

So do I my friend.... so do I.

 

[The Gronk]

Unfair it decidedly is not. Unfair would be granting exceptions. The requirements are known and we accept all who meet them. I haven’t turned away a single person who has qualified. There is equal opportunity here. 

If the rules suck then change the rules.

Just add an extra qualifying rule where a forum member or modder who has been active for more than 3-5 years gets to stream.   Yes, that's a judgement call but it's also a friendly gesture to those who support you and provides support to them in return.  You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.  Must everything be a one way street?

Hey!  I just noticed I've got no "warning points" on my profile!  Do those things dissappear over time or was it a bug from the changeover?  I was quite proud of that particular moment 

 

[Laz Man]

If the rules suck then change the rules.

Just add an extra qualifying rule where a forum member or modder who has been active for more than 3-5 years gets to stream.   Yes, that's a judgement call but it's also a friendly gesture to those who support you and provides support to them in return.  You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.  Must everything be a one way street?

That actually makes it worse.  You just drew the line elsewhere and now made it about loyalty not marketing.

The people who dont meet your new requirement will be even more pissed now their loyalty is in question. 

What about how many copies I purchased?  Wait a minute, how about me? I bought 4 tshirts and 7 mugs...

 

[Guppycur]

Yeh gotta agree.  Aside from the "my patreons get a key" loophole it seems to work and definitely drives excitement, and I'm in the "I hate streamer weekend" camp. 

 

[The Gronk]

That actually makes it worse.  You just drew the line elsewhere and now made it about loyalty not marketing.

The people who dont meet your new requirement will be even more pissed now their loyalty is in question. 

What about how many copies I purchased?  Wait a minute, how about me? I bought 4 tshirts and 7 mugs...

If someone is wiling to spend 3-5 years doing a livestream to their nieces and nephews while actively modding or at least participating in the forum then I say give it to them.

How is more advertising a worse scenario?

 

[Laz Man]

If someone is wiling to spend 3-5 years doing a livestream to their nieces and nephews while actively modding or at least participating in the forum then I say give it to them.

How is more advertising a worse scenario?

Just telling you the negative impact of your suggestion.  I would sure hate to be the person who be responsible for validating every claim and making those exceptions.

Probably one reason why its not a loyalty contest.

 

[meganoth]

If the rules suck then change the rules.

Just add an extra qualifying rule where a forum member or modder who has been active for more than 3-5 years gets to stream.   Yes, that's a judgement call but it's also a friendly gesture to those who support you and provides support to them in return.  You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.  Must everything be a one way street?

Sure, but then other players come around and ask why they don't get to play, they have more than 3-5 years as well. Because suddenly it seems to be a reward, right? And they deserve that reward as well as that other player who just happens to be a hobby streamer.

 

[The Gronk]

Just telling you the negative impact of your suggestion.  I would sure hate to be the person who be responsible for validating every claim and making those exceptions.

Probably one reason why its not a loyalty contest.

As was mentioned recently in the dev diary, the amount of active forum members who hang around for longer than a year is surprisingly small.  Would it really be a war-crime to hand keys out to a few people who have been instrumental in the development of the game and community, who also happen to have a long-running live-stream (regardless of numbers)?

If you only go by the numbers you may miss something that is morally or ethically correct despite not being an optimal solution.

Sure, but then other players come around and ask why they don't get to play, they have more than 3-5 years as well. Because suddenly it seems to be a reward, right? And they deserve that reward as well as that other player who just happens to be a hobby streamer.

Yes, it is a special reward, a medal if you will.  Why not give extra attention to those who have participated in the community for many years?  You want a limit?  Okay, five, five people who have spent years adding depth and giving advice in many areas of the games development, they can have a free pass.  Y'all know TFP hang around the modding forums, to say they haven't benefitted from this is delusional at best.

 

[Laz Man]

As was mentioned recently in the dev diary, the amount of active forum members who hang around for longer than a year is surprisingly small.  Would it really be a war-crime to hand keys out to a few people who have been instrumental in the development of the game and community, who also happen to have a long-running live-stream (regardless of numbers)?

If you only go by the numbers you may miss something that is morally or ethically correct despite not being an optimal solution.

Not a crime but subjectly rewarding loyalty is like going down a rabbit hole. 

So if I only contribute to modding for 1 to 2 years I'm not loyal enough?  Or wait, I've made 20 modlets but there not that popular so I'm not loyal enough there too?  See what I mean?