PC Announcement A18.3 b4 goes EXP

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As someone who works with branches daily, that is the reason for my comment. People spend a lot of time reporting things and yes some of these things require more intricate testing and work, but some do not.
The very thing they did with the hoe, add one single line, is the same thing that could have been done for the multi block bug some people reported. It was a 30 second fix, copy pasting their own line of code into the offending blocks to fix the offsets.

Maybe there was a reason why no bugs were actually fixed, but with 19 coming up how many more experimentals will there even be for 18?

Sorry if that comes off as jaded but the deeper I dive into the creation of my own product the more things like that nag at me.
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This experimental has focus on localization. Removing garden hoe from creative (only leaving an orphan xml entry) makes translating it obsolete right? The offset prob has nothing to do with localization as have all other bugs. Heck they are probab all assigned to devs allready working on a19. The more i dive into the creation of my own product the more you nag me...

Cheers

 
Thus the reason I stopped reporting bugs. I feel as if most bug reports are being ignored, I could be wrong but sure does seem like it.
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I just begin reporting - and i'm stop, too. I don't mind being ignored, but I won't waste my time if no one needs it.

 
The hoe is not removed from the game but from the creative menu :

Code: 
<property name="CreativeMode" value="None"/>
(Come on jax... u know better than me that they only added a simple line, unless you see it as a point of no return for the old farming mechanics)

Other items/blocks are not shown in creative menu but for a reason like meleeHandMaster etc but i can not see why the hoe is hidden.

I think this exp main focus is the localization or at least it's the main focus but i'm not sure. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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Technically he's right. There's comments in the XML to remove it later.

Which means it IS being removed from the game and will make it more difficult to put back the old method of farming unless TFP leave the Iron Hoe in the asset file AND the hold type assignable on the player.

 
Technically he's right. There's comments in the XML to remove it later.
Which means it IS being removed from the game and will make it more difficult to put back the old method of farming unless TFP leave the Iron Hoe in the asset file AND the hold type assignable on the player.
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No. The removal comment is for the hoe schematic. Not for the item.

Cheers

 
Are you guys serious? Do you seriously expect the devs to leave unused/obsolete assets in the game eating up resources forever? Your asking for a huge let down...

 
Oh no. I'm absolutely expecting it to be removed in either A19 or A20. Probably A19 since they're updating models.

I'm HOPING that the hold type still works though, because then we can just get a hoe model off the unity store to put it back in.

 
18.3 has not yet come out of experimental. This release is simply an extension of the current experimental and its focus is almost primarily localization. Until 18.3 is proclaimed stable let’s not treat it as though it has been actually released.

Bug fixes are being done and are in fact a huge focus but they are going into the A19 branch. Some may be exported to A18 but for goodness sakes people, A18 isn’t the game. It is a dead end. Someday it will be a simple curiosity for people to load up and see what the game was like at this stage and that’s all. Don’t get married to A18.

The future is A19 and it will kill A18 so as long as the bug fixes are going there it’s all good. A19 is closer than you might think and at some point it becomes a waste of time moving stuff from A19 to A18.

 
“How long” questions are above my clearance level. However, Snowdog is usually game to answer such things....

 
The future is A19 and it will kill A18 so as long as the bug fixes are going there it’s all good. A19 is closer than you might think and at some point it becomes a waste of time moving stuff from A19 to A18.
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I think the problem is we who, mind you we do not get a paycheck from TFP for our work, report bugs deserve some kind of feedback from the QA Testers. The lack of communication on part of the QA Testers is what makes us players who take time out of our day to write up a report feel ignored.

I could give example after example of this happening but all one needs to do is look at the bug reporting section for a month and you will see.

If we the players who are not paid to report bugs takes the time out of our day to write up a report, the very least the QA Testers could do in return is just acknowledge the report in a timely manner and without a player needing to complain in order to get a response. If proper communication happened between the testers and the players then none of us would feel as if we are wasting our time reporting. :)

EDIT: I want to say this has not always been an issue, only after A18 dropped. Prior to this going back to A14 (A14 for me is when i started reporting) the QA Testers were always really good about responding. Not sure what changed when A18 dropped.

EDIT: for better clarification I added this to my statement. "f we the players who are not paid to report bugs takes the time out of our day to write up a report, the very least the QA Testers could do in return is just acknowledge the report in a timely manner and without a player sometimes needing to complain in order to get a response. "

 
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To add on to the above, something simple like "Confirmed, ticket submitted" might help players feel as if their reports are valued and listened to. :)

 
To add on to the above, something simple like "Confirmed, ticket submitted" might help players feel as if their reports are valued and listened to. :)
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+1 Something as simple as that would be enough I think. I cannot speak for everyone but that works for me. :)

 
Newest Bug thread has 37/50 posts responded to by a QA team member. Of the posts not responded to only a few of them were bug reports and the rest were people responding to other people or making non-bug comments like they shouldn't be doing.

I don't see what you mean by no responses. Maybe they are improving and the newest thread is a fluke. I'll go do a bit of counting in the previous one. Be right back....

Previous bug thread has 78/134 posts responded to by a QA team member.

 
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Counting will not give an honest picture of what is going on. That is why I said one needs to view the bug section for a month. Everyday for a month and you will see the pattern. I could explain in depth but again, I direct people to watching the section for a month to see. All of us who report bugs know exactly what I'm talking about.

EDIT: I'll give one example of myself. I reported a bug that was indeed a bug. 3 weeks went by without a response from any QA Tester. Once I complained and brought exactly what I brought up here to the QA Testers they went and looked at every report I made and then responded.

That 1 bug I reported that went 3 weeks without being responded to...once I complained they responded with "verified and reported". I had to complain in order for my report to be seen, which is not what i was trying to do nor should any player have to do. Same thing happened to JaxTeller718 others.

 
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Counting will not give an honest picture of what is going on. That is why I said one needs to view the bug section for a month. Everyday for a month and you will see the pattern. I could explain in depth but again, I direct people to watching the section for a month to see. All of us who report bugs know exactly what I'm talking about.
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Uh....okay....

You say the QA team doesn't respond to anyone and I show they do and then suddenly the evidence doesn't show the correct picture? Most of the responses are them taking the time to say "Thank you, noted." and "Confirmed" which is exactly what you said would be great.

Taking in the two threads I counted goes back to December which is a month's worth of time. If you are going to accuse the QA team of ignoring bug reports or of not at least acknowledging them please be more specific about what you are talking about. Link me to one of your bug reports that got ignored, please.

 
I never accused the QA Testers of ignoring please do not put words in my mouth. I said it feels like we are being ignored not that the QA Testers are ignoring us.

EDIT: mind you I am not the only one who has voiced this. 3 other people in this thread has stated they feel the same exact way and they stopped reporting as well because of the feeling of being ignored.

If there is this many that feel the same way, maybe that is because we are telling the truth. If it was only I then I would say huh maybe its just me. :)

EDIT: I also never said the QA Teams doesn't respond to anyone. Again please do not put words in my mouth that i never said.

 
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I never accused the QA Testers of ignoring please do not put words in my mouth. I said it feels like we are being ignored not that the QA Testers are ignoring us.
EDIT: mind you I am not the only one who has voiced this. 3 other people in this thread has stated they feel the same exact way and they stopped reporting as well because of the feeling of being ignored.

If there is this many that feel the same way, maybe that is because we are telling the truth. If it was only I then I would say huh maybe its just me. :)
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I know it isn't just you. Those others are welcome to speak up and tell me that all those examples over the past month where they are responding to bug reports don't count either...lol

I'm sorry if you and those others are feeling ignored. I don't know what to tell you. But QA are reading bug reports and responding as they see fit and judging by the only metric I know how to use it seems like they are doing a pretty good job.

Also people tend to report the bugs that bother THEM the most and those bugs may not be priority fixes at the moment. If I had a nickel for every bug that was reported as being game breaking that wasn't remotely game breaking I'd be at the gift card change machine right now signing up for a free dinner at Outback Steakhouse.....

 
I know it isn't just you. Those others are welcome to speak up and tell me that all those examples over the past month where they are responding to bug reports don't count either...lol
I'm sorry if you and those others are feeling ignored. I don't know what to tell you. But QA are reading bug reports and responding as they see fit and judging by the only metric I know how to use it seems like they are doing a pretty good job.

Also people tend to report the bugs that bother THEM the most and those bugs may not be priority fixes at the moment. If I had a nickel for every bug that was reported as being game breaking that wasn't remotely game breaking I'd be at the gift card change machine right now signing up for a free dinner at Outback Steakhouse.....
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I believe the QA Testers do indeed read 90% of the bug reports, the other 10% are those who are ignored because they fail to fill out the report properly...they should be ignored lol. Its just the feeling of being ignored is what bothers us. Do they do there job...yes no doubt about it. Its just a feeling we get and maybe thats our problem and not the problem of the QA Testers. :)

EDIT: Edited my previous post to better clarify what I meant so no one else misinterprets what I mean.

 
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