PC Alpha 21 Dev Diary

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What does this mean? I'm confused by the word "tiles" as that is also an element to city building, basically 150x150 POI-like things. RWG had been dividing up the world into 150x150 plots for some gain. These "biome tiles" sound like something other than that...? What's the new size? That is, I get it is X/4, but I don't know what X was and I suspect 150/4=37.5 makes no sense...?
RWG uses tiles for many things. Biome tiles were 1024 squares. Now 256.

I added the burnt forest back to RWG today. Seems to be generating correctly now after a few bug fixes.

 
RWG uses tiles for many things. Biome tiles were 1024 squares. Now 256.

I added the burnt forest back to RWG today. Seems to be generating correctly now after a few bug fixes.
Burnt forest was and it is one of the most atmospheric things in 7 days to die..

If it`s back, smile, because we thank you :)

If not, go out, find a dog and pet it. Hope it eats your sandwich.

 
Is there still plans to determine what types of POI will spawn in the generation screen before creating a map? This was mentioned in the A21 Dev Diary livestream #4, being able to influence the spawn rate of POIs by selecting tags or names specifically, including min/max counts? Didn't come out in A21 and hasn't been referenced since, just wondering if this is still something you guys are thinking about or if it's scrapped.
I've not heard mention of that.

My goal is good clean random worlds from any seed that meet our long term biome progression goals and generate fast.

Bug fixing and polish is primarily what it needs. A few new features may sneak in.

 
I added the burnt forest back to RWG today. 


A few new features may sneak in.


Can you tell us plainly whether any more biomes may be added in? Don't feel like you need to catch a plane to tell us in person as that would be plain overkill. Just curious on whether the plane of the game will ever intersect with the line of any other past RWG features again. ;)  

 
Can you tell us plainly whether any more biomes may be added in? Don't feel like you need to catch a plane to tell us in person as that would be plain overkill. Just curious on whether the plane of the game will ever intersect with the line of any other past RWG features again. ;)  
heres my $0.02 onto this too, we all know that the 4 main biomes (technically 5) work well for what they do but i feel with you that having more biomes is more eye candy to look at and more diverse environments to explore with unique features and challenges is something that would complete the rwg experience imo, finding the plains biome back in the older alphas was nice as like i said earlier even though it wasnt everyones favourite biome it had unique features to it even if they are small, you also had biome specific pois which also made the biomes feel more unique like you went to the burnt biome and saw a bunch of burnt homes which makes sense in the burnt forest, i also know adding biomes would be a decent amount of work but the more the merrier would probably be what a large portion of people would love, i of course dont have a lot of ideas for biomes but i know there are many possibilities for more biomes and features that define them to create a compelling gameplay/visual experience.

 
Can you tell us plainly whether any more biomes may be added in?
I don't think they'll add new biomes... at least not before gold. As you know better than me, adding a new biome is a TON of work, because not only it needs to be configured and tested for RWG, but that would also mean that Navezgane would become outdated, so they'd need someone to integrate the new biome also on the static map.

That being said, I hope they'll give modders a way to create new stuff for RWG more easily.

 
I've not heard mention of that.

My goal is good clean random worlds from any seed that meet our long term biome progression goals and generate fast.

Bug fixing and polish is primarily what it needs. A few new features may sneak in.


It was discussed by Robert, he'd discussed that he created it for level designers to force spawn their latest builds, but would be coming to A22+. It's mentioned during the fourth dev diary stream at 8.40

Edit: Ah it may be something XML related only and already implemented in some capacity, though not included in the RWG gen screen as I wrongly assumed it may have been.

 
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RWG uses tiles for many things. Biome tiles were 1024 squares. Now 256.

I added the burnt forest back to RWG today. Seems to be generating correctly now after a few bug fixes.
Just want to say how excited I am for the return of the burnt forest. It had fantastic atmosphere, very happy to see it return. Thank you for the updates!

 
for 100% no. Why? Simple - because even small change like... Madmole play one day in Gothic 1 as reference instead Rust would change something.


What wouldn't change is their long list of planned features (where they for example could have seen they wanted this and that part of 7D2D to get an overhaul, this and that to be added). And their tastes, which largely differ from yours. So sure, anything is possible, but what is the most likely? That it generally goes in the direction of their current tastes in gaming or that they suddenly turn into copies of you?

The butterfly effect may make me change my mind one day and not order my favourite food at my favourite restaurant. But the next time I go there I likely will order my favourite food again.

 
The butterfly effect may make me change my mind one day and not order my favourite food at my favourite restaurant. But the next time I go there I likely will order my favourite food again.




Imagine in the future that we develop a procedure (to the point where it's safe and routine) to erase specific memories from our minds.

Someone capitalizes on this and offers a service to erase all memory of specific movies we've seen. The allows us to go see that movie "for the first time" again!

Seeing the fantastic acting and character development all over again, being in awe of the riveting action sequences, and best of all, not knowing the story; the ending!!
Being able to see movies like Aliens, Terminator, Forbidden Planet or LoTR over and over and over with maximum effect!!!

The unforeseen danger however is that you might not choose to watch it again!

Even if you wrote out a commitment promise to yourself to rewatch any and all movies you've wiped, your mood, health, age and countless other factors could cause you to say "meh" to what was one of your favorite films! That "meh" would ensure it wouldn't be on your rewatch list anymore, and the only memory you'd have of that film would be mediocre at best.

Continue on this path and statistically you'll end up with NOTHING you love anymore. You'll be like some Flying Dutchman critic who is unimpressed with....everything. A fate worse than death! Woe to anyone who might use the process on other aspects of their lives....their first sled ride, their first ice cream cone....their first kiss!


 

"...To live on as we have is to leave behind joy and love and companionship because we know it to be transitory, of the moment. We know it will turn to ash.
Only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal.
"

– Lorien

-Arch Necromancer Morloc 💀

 
Yeah cuz ASA did so well doing almost this.  This is a way to split your fanbase

At least the spin off it could bring more types of players. Maybe they don't like survival 
If Riamus is right - then possible because a lot of mobile games players don't know 7DTD brand and... mobile games market is diffrent. Pretty is like football vs basketball 

A 'gold' label is just a label wouldn't change the amount of hours spent on development in any way though. Neither would it mean development would have stopped. There is literally no mechanical link between the two. Alpha, Beta, they're just words, not magical talismans.

As for Minecraft, that has a vastly wider appeal, to kids, families, etc. and a vastly bigger player base. It's also supported by Microsoft, which is why they can get big tie-in deals with like, Lego, or whatever. Zombie horror survival is a specific genre and subgenre, Minecraft on the other hand literally defined voxel games. It's okay to not be as big as Minecraft and it's also okay to not have the same kind of outside stuff as Minecraft does.

And not to be rude, but... who cares about tie-ins? I just want the game itself to work.
Would change : gold then probably story mode last updates ( fixing bugs, optimalisation etc.) then project is finished. No problems.

It wasn't supported for long time. Plus people are not happy about  this MS 'ownership" and changed that they made. It's like now 7DTD was "takover" by Ubisoft or dunno Capcome then it will be developed still like Minecraft which is... terrible - sometimes it's important to just end. Ps - much smaller game called  " i was teenage exocolnist" get own plushies so.... TFP makind deal with let's say Cobi would be possible.



If they would say " Okay we are going to develop though 4-5 years then another project" then... yeah it would change planned features. Why? because it need time "Okay guys we didn't manage to overhauls skills but production is too long just left it how it's because there need new project to be started". Many games had scapped features, ideas or " not the best" systems just because lack of time. Just how it's release game move forward. 

I don't they should left unfinished game. Just cut plans compare to production time, make it stable and that's all.

Well - but which tastes? from one hand you have fortnite and call of duty. From other? Manor lords or Blight.

And is another + for me in that situation : let's say - 5 years development , 1 resting 5 years of development , 1 year of rest. 5 years etc. 

So : 7dtd 1 finished in 2018, another game finished in 2024 : so i have chances  that 7dtd 2 will be more like i want. then another game. Then 7dtd 3 

So 2 possible options. while now... there is almost not chances for 7dtd 2. TFP is humans not Activision - TFP devs are going to get old and TFP will be closed after let's say next 10-15 so no chances for another 7dtd unless they will sells it to bigger company. But Acvisions? Many people came and go while Cod is still released every year.

If you one day not order you fav food but instead you bought something new you could eat it 15 minutes longer. so you will be driving 1 mph faster. Which will cause flat tire because of small stone that was thrown on road by kid 5. So... You were late to work and be fired. but thanks to that you met nice girl  - competly diffrent life.

Trust me - small change like choose diffrent pair of shoes can totaly change your life in way that you will never know

 
Imagine in the future that we develop a procedure (to the point where it's safe and routine) to erase specific memories from our minds.

Someone capitalizes on this and offers a service to erase all memory of specific movies we've seen. The allows us to go see that movie "for the first time" again!

Seeing the fantastic acting and character development all over again, being in awe of the riveting action sequences, and best of all, not knowing the story; the ending!!
Being able to see movies like Aliens, Terminator, Forbidden Planet or LoTR over and over and over with maximum effect!!!

The unforeseen danger however is that you might not choose to watch it again!

Even if you wrote out a commitment promise to yourself to rewatch any and all movies you've wiped, your mood, health, age and countless other factors could cause you to say "meh" to what was one of your favorite films! That "meh" would ensure it wouldn't be on your rewatch list anymore, and the only memory you'd have of that film would be mediocre at best.

Continue on this path and statistically you'll end up with NOTHING you love anymore. You'll be like some Flying Dutchman critic who is unimpressed with....everything. A fate worse than death! Woe to anyone who might use the process on other aspects of their lives....their first sled ride, their first ice cream cone....their first kiss!


 

"...To live on as we have is to leave behind joy and love and companionship because we know it to be transitory, of the moment. We know it will turn to ash.
Only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal.
"

– Lorien

-Arch Necromancer Morloc 💀




Even worse:

You are defined by your previous experiences, they form your character. So by deleting your memory you are changing yourself to someone else. In a narrow sense you have erased yourself.

And even if you choose to rewatch it you can't gain what you lost because you do not watch it in the same frame of mind as before. You cannot recreate the impressions, the awe or what you learned by rewatching it at a different time of your live. As an extreme example you might have learned much from watching an episode of sesame street when you were 4 years old, but it would not change and impress you now at all. 

 
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If they would say " Okay we are going to develop though 4-5 years then another project" then... yeah it would change planned features.


Sure, but that is not the most likely outcome. Because A16 did not have everything kickstarter expected and not the quality they themselves expected from the game. If they were fed up with the game and wanted a change they would have pulled the plug from the current development already.

If you one day not order you fav food but instead you bought something new you could eat it 15 minutes longer. so you will be driving 1 mph faster. Which will cause flat tire because of small stone that was thrown on road by kid 5. So... You were late to work and be fired. but thanks to that you met nice girl  - competly diffrent life.

Trust me - small change like choose diffrent pair of shoes can totaly change your life in way that you will never know


Exactly. That could have happened. But in about 99.9% of all restaurant visits this does NOT happen before, it is the exceptional, very improbable event.

You can dream of anything happening if you want, but when you are making **predictions** of an alternate history you should list the probably ones, not the pimp dreams of what could be in lala-land if your wet dreams come true.

 
2 hours ago, Matt115 said:

If Riamus is right - then possible because a lot of mobile games players don't know 7DTD brand and... mobile games market is diffrent. Pretty is like football vs basketball 

Would change : gold then probably story mode last updates ( fixing bugs, optimalisation etc.) then project is finished. No problems.

It wasn't supported for long time. Plus people are not happy about  this MS 'ownership" and changed that they made. It's like now 7DTD was "takover" by Ubisoft or dunno Capcome then it will be developed still like Minecraft which is... terrible - sometimes it's important to just end. Ps - much smaller game called  " i was teenage exocolnist" get own plushies so.... TFP makind deal with let's say Cobi would be possible.

Bummer, it fit perfectly within the Arizona landscape, wish it made a comeback.

 
RWG uses tiles for many things. Biome tiles were 1024 squares. Now 256.

I added the burnt forest back to RWG today. Seems to be generating correctly now after a few bug fixes.
I've missed Burnt Forest so much!  I was worried that it was going th way of the dodo

 
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