PC Alpha 21 Dev Diary

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Roland said:
Um.. no. The game can be internally consistent and be different than either of the two options you presented. Whether 7 Days to Die's art style fits into your two categories or defines its own has nothing to do with whether it is consistent as a game. More and more legacy art is being converted to the new style and so the game is increasingly becoming more consistent with what it wants to be. 
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Roland said:
Consistent with other games or consistent within itself? The first doesn't matter since games can pioneer new styles and designs and don't have to be consistent with other stuff in the industry. The second does matter and as the game closes in on Gold it will become more and more consistent in its art and style as we've been seeing big time with A20 and A21.
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It's not consistent. I will give  you example : you make adventure game quasi realistic ( indiana jones vibes) set in 1940 -  you know berlin, egypt, mayan ruins etc. So let's say there is german army so what do you put? SCAR-H? M16? No. K98. 

While 7dtd is like take "typical german camp" - you know Panzer 2, messerschmitt, this red black and white booth etc. then put Scar for german soldiers (let's say it's not about time travel) and modern hazmats. 

I give you few times why logic for guns models doesn't have sense even from in-game perspective. It's set in USA not in Poland or Germany were guns are stricted. It's like texas so probably guns are everwhere. So using shovel handle ? realy - okay: so totaly no where was possible to find stock for AK47? i think it's would be so hard to find this or even make similiar - if it was possible to made in high number in CCCP pretty fast - here it would be problem at all. or use another gun stock. So totaly lack of consistent because this argument about junk don't work - if you can find in realy good conditon military trucks - then find boxes full of M16 ( newer guns need licenses to put in game). So there is not possiblity how all of them could be destroyed. Attachments? again - much easier to find military/civilian variants of most of them. 

Armors? - Well raider bandit armor looks cool and... is totaly useless why? nails it's would rather disturbing during some activites. I remember a guy who were explaining why such stuff in post apo design doesn't have sense. 

i could this all day. What is point of 7dtd? be serious? or parody? set years or shortly during outbreak? most things totaly doesn't have sense. 

7dtd now is like COD about style - one hand you have this detailed USA military helicopter when even details like where is medkit put is correct then you have SGT PSS (cat skin) and ghost rifle - totaly lack of consistent even if not compare to other games.

Where is a problem? it will take let's say 10 years at best before next 7dtd game. So i have to say what is bad now because after so many years can be too late

 
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I think the artstyle is pretty good. Really the only thing weird is when the outbreak takes place.  Some parts feels like days ago and some look a few years old. But games like fallout do that as well.  So it's whatever.  

While I don't like some changes to models like the hunting knife and feral wight, they aren't bad just personally I don't like it. 

I wouldn't say it's a unique artstyle.  But like what Guns Nerd and steel said 

"They are definitely going for a goofy, grung aesthetic, where AK stocks are in less supply than shovel handled and replacement motorcycle seats are less common then toilet seats"

However the sense of humor in the game has always been one of my favorites and has gotten better.  Especially with in game brands. Stuff like "the boobie trap", "eye candy", Ohreally auto. Alot I see is like Dad jokes timed 20x and I love it. 

I personally can't wait to play it on console with my work buddies.  Cuz my PC is on its way out. 

Matt115 said:
I could this all day. What is point of 7dtd? be serious? or parody? 
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I can see the difference between the Mad Max crafted stuff and the ordinary in-world stuff as jarring, but luckily we have mods, so if you want your cars and guns more realistic that's no problem.

One thing though was that the pipe weapons annoyed me at first, until I realized that despite their goofy appearance really, in practice, they're more like WWII "resistance" or "home guard" weapons, guns made not in a factory but in a workshop or basement but still made to fire existing available ammunition.

 
Adam the Waster said:
That's another think I'm wondering 

Maybe it will be a mix of clothing and armor and some stuff like armor pockets will be removed.  Instead it's pockets mods

Imo with the image and what faatal said (take it with salt cuz he doesn't know) with the armor Is (gloves and boots), chest, legs, and helmet.  

Imo as well. I think a better system would be like what you said

Helmet ,Chest ,Gloves,Legs/boots 

Would be better for customization, role-playing, and make sense. Like who's going to wear a skirt and cowboy boots. Unless your into that sorta thing 
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Or might be like Soulsborne games - Head, Chest, Gloves, Legs (pants/boots).

 
Old Crow said:
Or might be like Soulsborne games - Head, Chest, Gloves, Legs (pants/boots).
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I don't think so cuz of the picture. Unless that's the leg armor.  In that casw that's silly. Then again they could have changed it they change a few things with armor 

Who knows I hope it's like what you say it makes the most sense 

 
Adam the Waster said:
Interesting

.I ask cuz of this post. 

Unless the armor comes shirtless 

Then it's 5 or so. I'm not trying to sound like a ass. I'm just interested about the whole system.  

In the old arts for the nerd armor and such it counted 4. Hat, outfit (chest and legs), gloves and boots. 

(Sorry for poor quality fokes I'm at work) 

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where is his heart? his achy breaky heart?

 
Questions/Feedback on A21

1. why does my character and all other characters on our server make the upset tummy sound when drinking pure mineral water?

2. We have been a seeing a lot of cops facing 90 degrees perpendicular to us puking on us and hitting us as if we were straight in front of him. It was my understanding that there puke was only supposed to hit in a cone in front of them not to the side and behind them.

3. We have had cops puking on us when there was no way they could see us (crouched, no lights, no movement, solid steel cubes all around us)

4. We have been taking splash damage from cop puke THRU solid steel cubes surrounding us without the blocks being destroyed. Surely this cannot be intentional.

5. Several canned foods (chicken soup, miso soup, pears, chicken rations) don't have a recipe they are used in. Is this intentional or an oversight?

 
Old Crow said:
though it's also an early image.
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Yeah this. Maybe we're already interpreting too much into it.

I mean was this picture indeed posted as an example for different available armor pieces/slots? No it wasn't.

It was an animation sample for the new player models.

It was not said that this had anything to do with clothing/armor, they might just have decided it would be inappopriate to let the guy sneak around with waving banana, and so gave him some random clothing parts that could have nothing to do with the final "product".

 
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Kalex said:
Questions/Feedback on A21

1. why does my character and all other characters on our server make the upset tummy sound when drinking pure mineral water?

2. We have been a seeing a lot of cops facing 90 degrees perpendicular to us puking on us and hitting us as if we were straight in front of him. It was my understanding that there puke was only supposed to hit in a cone in front of them not to the side and behind them.

3. We have had cops puking on us when there was no way they could see us (crouched, no lights, no movement, solid steel cubes all around us)

4. We have been taking splash damage from cop puke THRU solid steel cubes surrounding us without the blocks being destroyed. Surely this cannot be intentional.

5. Several canned foods (chicken soup, miso soup, pears, chicken rations) don't have a recipe they are used in. Is this intentional or an oversight?
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1. I've noticed this with several drinks. I'm thinking it's a "cool" new drinking sound.

2. I was noticing this in A20 as well. I'm sure they'll blame this on latency or something.

5. These have been like this for quite a while. Some canned foods are meant strictly as food items early on, I think, before you can start cooking things or can't cook very many better meals.

 
Adam the Waster said:
I think the artstyle is pretty good. Really the only thing weird is when the outbreak takes place.  Some parts feels like days ago and some look a few years old. But games like fallout do that as well.  So it's whatever.  

While I don't like some changes to models like the hunting knife and feral wight, they aren't bad just personally I don't like it. 

I wouldn't say it's a unique artstyle.  But like what Guns Nerd and steel said 

"They are definitely going for a goofy, grung aesthetic, where AK stocks are in less supply than shovel handled and replacement motorcycle seats are less common then toilet seats"

However the sense of humor in the game has always been one of my favorites and has gotten better.  Especially with in game brands. Stuff like "the boobie trap", "eye candy", Ohreally auto. Alot I see is like Dad jokes timed 20x and I love it. 

I personally can't wait to play it on console with my work buddies.  Cuz my PC is on its way out. 

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Exactly what i'm saying :

Adam the Waster said:
  Some parts feels like days ago and some look a few years old.
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You spotted this same thing - totaly inconsistent. and that's a problem.  Like it was made by : SYFY Official Site "Damian we are making zombie movie now then this post apo , later sequel for this movie about aliens. So to cut cost let say guys to make in way that allow to reused as much stuff as possible to cut costs ".

Goofy aesthetic have Dead Rising or B4B. Here is unfortunatly low/medium budget movie aesthetic.

 
Matt115 said:
Exactly what i'm saying :

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I know but too me I'm fine with it. Games like fallout do it.

While I would like some stuff changed.  It's not that big of a deal. The game is close to gold. 

The stuff that I mostly want changed is QOL, decorations and building parts like the new gates and barbed wire. And survival changes 

 
Adam the Waster said:
I know but too me I'm fine with it. Games like fallout do it.

While I would like some stuff changed.  It's not that big of a deal. The game is close to gold. 

The stuff that I mostly want changed is QOL, decorations and building parts like the new gates and barbed wire. And survival changes 
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Well gameplay is fine for me just artstyle.  Fallout is just parody and you know "alternative univese" stuff. 7DTD change from classic zombie artystyle  into this. That's why i'm @%$# off - i spend money on classic style zombie game while now i have mad max with zombies instead xd

 
Matt115 said:
Well gameplay is fine for me just artstyle.  Fallout is just parody and you know "alternative univese" stuff. 7DTD change from classic zombie artystyle  into this. That's why i'm @%$# off - i spend money on classic style zombie game while now i have mad max with zombies instead xd
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I mean the only thing I'm upset with the artstyle with is just down grades of things 

We went from a nice sexy bowie knife to a cheap hunting knife you could buy at your local ace. 

We went from the feral wight being a scary looking goblin mode zombie, 

To a naked looking dude going goblin mode

Aside from that I don't mind it

 
Adam the Waster said:
I mean the only thing I'm upset with the artstyle with is just down grades of things 

We went from a nice sexy bowie knife to a cheap hunting knife you could buy at your local ace. 

We went from the feral wight being a scary looking goblin mode zombie, 

To a naked looking dude going goblin mode

Aside from that I don't mind it
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Well for me biggest downgrade get crawler. This model is totaly awful.  😕

 
A bit of a touch in his ragdoll and behaviour is what it needs for us to be scared, not just wack it out and go on. Hope it is a matter of time. It does need some finishing touches. 

 
beerfly said:
A bit of a touch in his ragdoll and behaviour is what it needs for us to be scared, not just wack it out and go on. Hope it is a matter of time. It does need some finishing touches. 
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tbh i was kinda sad when i say they got speed buffs were they could run at night, i thought they were going to be like a Fast cod zombie crawlers but instead, it was just a small speed boost

 
Jost Amman said:
So... how many more patches are scheduled for A21?

Are we almost there? Or are you planning on 2/3 more?  :ranger:

I'm asking because the more A21 is dragged on, the more the A22 goal post moves into the future.
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Alpha 20 was like 4 I believe.  And they posting about alpha 22 alot more then they did with alpha 21

 
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