RipClaw
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It depends on how creative the base builder is. WaywardEko did some streams a while where he did nothing but talk and build a base in the prefab editor. People really loved it.
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Fair point, tbh I don't actually watch many gaming videos, I've usually got code or a Discord server up on my other screens when I'm playing lol
Riamus
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You have to understand that although there are many players who only build or mine or craft, many more will play the entire game or at least most of it. They are not developing the game just for people who play a single part of the game but for those who play all parts of the game. It may not be what you like but it's just how it is. You also have to remember that you haven't played A21 yet. What you see on streams isn't going to give you a complete picture of how the game works for you and your playstyle. And when it comes down to it, if your playstyle needs a little tweak with the update, then you'll just have to make that tweak. This is what happens when you choose to play a game that is in early access. You have chosen to play a game that is changing and those changes may or may not be what you like.
@RipClaw Page 289 isn't loading properly for me, so I can't quote you. You said that you can't get an increase to a magazine without reducing others. This may be correct, though it can be done by simply having that boost be a chance of getting something in addition to what you normally get. So the container gets 100% of loot distributed in a certain way and then your boost gives you the chance to get one extra magazine on top of that. Now, I don't know that it is doing that. It's just how it could work. I am pretty sure I saw a dev or perhaps a moderator state that the boost does not reduce the chance of finding other magazines. But a really quick search didn't turn it up. Either I misread it or it is there and just not easy to search for. Honestly, either way is fine by me. I don't think it's an issue.
@RipClaw Page 289 isn't loading properly for me, so I can't quote you. You said that you can't get an increase to a magazine without reducing others. This may be correct, though it can be done by simply having that boost be a chance of getting something in addition to what you normally get. So the container gets 100% of loot distributed in a certain way and then your boost gives you the chance to get one extra magazine on top of that. Now, I don't know that it is doing that. It's just how it could work. I am pretty sure I saw a dev or perhaps a moderator state that the boost does not reduce the chance of finding other magazines. But a really quick search didn't turn it up. Either I misread it or it is there and just not easy to search for. Honestly, either way is fine by me. I don't think it's an issue.
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Larry_Flynt
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You can define the allowed number of active Land Claim Blocks already in A20 in the serverconfig.xml
I guess that setting will still be changeable in A21.
Roland
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I see what you’re saying. The trader stage allows for greater control on balancing and also is another dial that modders can tweak to make the trader more or less significant. I don’t see that as an addition that nullifies attempts to keep the trader from outpacing the player’s crafting ability.
The devs will always offer choices so that if there are players who like getting awesome trader rewards and don’t care about crafting there is a path for that. Nobody who wants more crafting in the game must perk up daring adventurer.
They were doing fine.
I liked what they did before.
From A15 up to the most recent one, we had no complaints.
Bugs were there, sure but bugs happen in early access.
It's taken a little longer than expected to develop, that's fine, sometimes teams run into unexpected roadblocks, ideas don't pan out the way they were planned, I get all of that. No complaints.
This sudden change of course was just not necessary because before we were a shining example of how *everyone* got to do something they enjoyed. If the developers want to make it so that people who play the game for different reasons in different ways can all enjoy themselves, I would say that was already well accomplished.
Looters, builders, crafters, all stayed busy, all progressed fairly evenly, and it was fine. I *understand* that for people who loot, they want to have more of a *reason* to do it, they want more of an incentive there to motivate them to get out there and see the world, and how that's a hard thing to do because if the main reason you play is looting and exploring, you're always going to hit that wall of "well, now I've explored, and looted everything - now what?" so the fun pimps I would imagine are looking for ways to cater to that crowd.
Totally makes sense - I get the dilemma.
And they absolutely should get their additional content, I don't want to 'punish' people who enjoy exploring and looting, if they need a better reason to get out there and do it - great, give them a reason. Just don't use this as the carrot on the stick.
I just think this medicine is worse than the disease.
I agree lots of people play for lots of different reasons, totally in agreement, I'm just saying that the way that was balanced out before was fine, at least for us - we never had any complaints about it.
It's just a 'not needed' change.
Edit: Maybe it needed tweaks here and there and some knobs dialed up or down a bit, but it didn't need this overhaul that it got.
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Riamus
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That's kind of the point. You didn't complain about it but others did for a variety of different reasons based on how they play. Try it out and see how it works before deciding that it's bad. That's all I'm saying.
Roland
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Looting and scavenging were fine before and they are very much improved now. Your 1 or 2 looters will be very happy.
Two looters will still be able to keep your group flush with magazines just like they kept you flush with electronic parts in the past. If the magazines aren’t coming fast enough for your enjoyment then some of you might need to do a quest here or there. There really shouldn’t be a huge change to what your group is doing other than figuring out who is going to craft what.
In your opening post your main worry was that builders would not be able to level up. Hopefully you understand now that leveling up hasn’t changed and that by building and upgrading blocks you will still earn xp and still advance because the new magazines don’t control that.
I can see that I can’t convince you but I’m very confident that your group will see that with some teamwork everything will be okay and builders can still build as they did before.
For single player, that’s not true. You do have to loot as a single player if you want to be able to craft better stuff. But in group play as long as you’ve got someone who likes to loot then you’re fine.
It's a fair point that I haven't played it yet - you're right.
But if they changed course because of player feedback, 99% of the people who play this game, aren't going to actually give good* feedback. 99% of people who play all games don't give feedback, most don't actually go onto the forums, or even the subreddits or Discord servers, the vast majority just don't. It's more often than not, a bad sample of the people playing the video game. Unfortunately for a lot of businesses, the only truly reliable data most companies have to go off of is whether or not their product is selling. *Sometimes* in *some* cases, games can get review bombed, just like movies or books/shows, etc. and it seems like the customer base of a product is extremely engaged. It happens, but it's honestly rare. But here's food for thought - *I'M* here for the first time ever, and again I've played this game for close to 9, almost 10 years or something like that at this point.
I made this account just to point out how much *I* don't like the sound of where this is going, and I've never complained once about the game or it's direction - ever, until now.
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Roland
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This isn’t a course change. It’s adding another sail to make the ship make better use of the wind. The course is player progression and they are still on course with that but they’ve introduced a change that really adds to the feature. Feedback definitely contributed to the changes but did not determine the actual changes. Those came from the creativity of the design team who are not puppets of .01% of the player base that gives feedback.
Riamus
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True, though feedback comes in more forms than posts. They get lots of data on how people play the game and what they do in the game and all that helps to determine what works or doesn't. And as far as complaints go, a complaint is still good feedback because it still shows what people don't like. They just aren't going to put much stock in such feedback if the person hasn't yet tried the changes. Afterwards they will pay more attention to feedback and tweak things to work the best overall. It still might not be what some people want but they'll never please everyone. There is a reason they support modding.
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The skilling up thing was indeed cleared up yes - I understand it's about tool quality and so forth now.
I hope you're right, but again I still find the change to be the one and only time I've been motivated to pop in on the official forums and actually voice my opinion. I still feel this was mostly to appease a vocal minority who likely played the game quite a lot, and wanted more 'content' to keep them motivated to log in, but people who play the game for 3,000+ hours or something and have burned through all the content that fast aren't really representative of your average player (speaking for myself, even I probably play more than the average player does) and I think they've just been given feedback by a very dedicated, but exceptional portion of their player base. They wanted to listen to the folks who play their game, but the primary feedback comes from that tiny portion - not the vast majority.
They want to deliver a good product, and so they listen to what people tell them, like good game devs do, but for a lot of titles out there, the problem actually is oftentimes listening to their players, unfortunately (I say this as a player myself). The Fun Pimps were doing great with the direction they had before this drop, and whoever told them otherwise, I don't think represented most of us.
BFT2020
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Actually this has nothing to do with adding more content, but addressing a crafting system that was for the most part lacking. All you had to do was max perk into one of the equipment perks and then you are producing Q5 gear, of any tier. Now if I play agility, I can still be able to craft higher level non-agility gear without having to go down those attributes. I can also craft a lower quality item if I don't have enough resources to craft the higher tier. And just because I can craft a Q5 double barrel shotgun, doesn't mean I can craft a Q5 auto-shotgun now.
Jost Amman
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I don't know if you're a man or a woman, but, no.
To follow your example, it's like if the husband works his ass off at work, and his boss gives, as a fringe benefit, a company car to his wife and not to him.
What I intend is direct correlation: you're a marine, you do something heroic in war, and someone else gets the medal. That kind of stuff.
Or, as a more down to earth example... you work your ass off at the gym, but someone else ends jacked.
If I'm not mistaken, the perks give you, sort of, an additional loot table on top of the basic one.
But I could have misunderstood on this point, since it was only mentioned once very briefly.
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Jost Amman
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This is just a joke... but why does everyone keep calling them quests instead of jobs?? :lol:
It's not like you're going to save a princess in distress and bring her back to the castle, you know? :fencing: :moony:
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Jost Amman
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It's all well and good, and I empathize with you and your friends... BUT
Looting and exploring is evidently part of the core gameplay in 7D2D.
So, what you're gonna do about it?
Change some core elements of the game because you and your friends refuse to acknowledge that part?
I don't think it's fair. The devs have already given us the tools to use in these cases: modding.
Gamida
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I don't know if you're a man or a woman, but, no.
To follow your example, it's like if the husband works his ass off at work, and his boss gives, as a fringe benefit, a company car to his wife and not to him.
What I intend is direct correlation: you're a marine, you do something heroic in war, and someone else gets the medal. That kind of stuff.
Or, as a more down to earth example... you work your ass off at the gym, but someone else ends jacked.
If I'm not mistaken, the perks give you, sort of, an additional loot table on top of the basic one.
But I could have misunderstood on this point, since it was only mentioned once very briefly.
Well my example doesn't change if I was a man or woman saying it
I took from your example and from what I know of the game as the bonus getting shared like it is now. I don't know of any thing in game where someone would harvest or loot and they not get any bonus and others in party do.
My example was also probably not the best as was on spur of moment.
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