PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary
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Khalagar
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So far, the only major bug I'm running into in A20 besides performance is the junk turret / sledge falling through the floor A LOT. This is a pretty serious one because it's nearly gotten me killed multiple times now. It happens a lot in the T5 sky scrappers when there are a lot of zombies, and it's very very very very not cool when you are fighting 10 zombies and relying on your turrets only to watch them just no clip through the floor and fall 3-5 floors below, leaving you alone with the mob
I tried only placing my turrets on frames I'd placed myself before the fighting starts but it doesn't matter, they will still fall through those too and fall to the floors below
I tried only placing my turrets on frames I'd placed myself before the fighting starts but it doesn't matter, they will still fall through those too and fall to the floors below
spacepiggio
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I've rejoined the game from dieing or quitting & having to start Basic Survival all over again even after starting a base & forge/claim block down & deactivated. Did a wipe & reinstall, but it did id again & I dont know the new patch installed so I needed a wipe anyway, got the runs. I'm ready to pull up Steam & I turned off auto update so I know when to wipe again. I'll edit this if it happens again, I also noticed the door/trap door graphics change to a floor tile after spawning on a bed. I spawned after dieing & rejoining the game & once the door changed & then the trap, green squared marble tile floor. I spawned & thought wheres my door?
Blake_
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OMG, thanks! I apologize for the assumption . I found the issue and reported it in detail, For reference, this is how you shall report in the future if you want something solved, not here in the Dev Diary:
Beelzebubs Ghost
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I second the other poster on the size of the lumberjack. He looks like a midget 
bachgaman
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OMG would like to see less hate for finding a bug
and you must apologize not for what you assumed, but for accusing me of blindness assuming I'm too dumb to see any little blocks in the air and supposedly QA shouldn't waste time on me because of this
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Blake_
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The beenie is hilarious though. He looks like a Gnome from hell.I second the other poster on the size of the lumberjack. He looks like a midget
I didn't call you names. It IS a waste of time to post here, and I also do it, lol. Lazman and faatal might see it, but it better be well reported in the official thread or else it might get buried forever.
Hugs !
bachgaman
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Don't jump off, I see what you mean here. And others too.
And, OMG, I'm sure you went to check it only to prove that I was wrong
It happens, lol.
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doughphunghus
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Summary: a20 is *really* great. Thanks for all the hard work!
Details: I'm not going to go into *all* the things I'm liking about it (a lot has been mentioned in the thread already) but I will say that normally I play with lots of mods and I'm playing with 0 mods (and just some small tweaks to the vanilla settings to increase the difficulty a little. Zed count left default!) and I'm enjoying it immensely. Other than the "look and feel" of the environment (loving the burnt forest ambiance), one of the things that "pops" the most to me is how the zeds movements have changed (and not just the crawling). I'm having to re-learn quite a bit of the muscle and "timing" memory I relied on in previous alphas.
And finally: Feral sense (as an option) is now my favorite thing. I'm getting constantly mini swarmed from outsiders when trying to do "normal stuff" and it just works really well. I was worried about the pipe weapons being "an issue" (balance, etc) but they are not.
And, as one must always put the small request for improvement after the praise: I will forever pine for the blunderbuss and its quirkiness so if its not coming back in any usable form I propose making a new picture/art on the wall of someone (a zed before being a zed, or the duke, or just anonymous person) holding it and standing over a bear or something like some "days of old" picture
Details: I'm not going to go into *all* the things I'm liking about it (a lot has been mentioned in the thread already) but I will say that normally I play with lots of mods and I'm playing with 0 mods (and just some small tweaks to the vanilla settings to increase the difficulty a little. Zed count left default!) and I'm enjoying it immensely. Other than the "look and feel" of the environment (loving the burnt forest ambiance), one of the things that "pops" the most to me is how the zeds movements have changed (and not just the crawling). I'm having to re-learn quite a bit of the muscle and "timing" memory I relied on in previous alphas.
And finally: Feral sense (as an option) is now my favorite thing. I'm getting constantly mini swarmed from outsiders when trying to do "normal stuff" and it just works really well. I was worried about the pipe weapons being "an issue" (balance, etc) but they are not.
And, as one must always put the small request for improvement after the praise: I will forever pine for the blunderbuss and its quirkiness so if its not coming back in any usable form I propose making a new picture/art on the wall of someone (a zed before being a zed, or the duke, or just anonymous person) holding it and standing over a bear or something like some "days of old" picture
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meilodasreh
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So all the fancy stuff they place within their stronghold is just garbage, meant to impress the newly arrived survivor? That would fit for Rekt, but for lovely Jen?
What do you think about this:
Traders have functioning workstations, but you're not allowed to use these workstations at first.
Maybe the workstations that are functioning are in a locked room, and you get access when you have done lets say 10 or 20 quests for that trader (number could vary with difficulty level). Or they unlock with tier 3/4/5 quest level.
I think this would fit more into the "story" that you have to gain some level of "trust" or whatever, you know they wouldn't allow any new stranger, but later...
...except for Rekt, he should permanently deny them to you
So this would bypass the bypass progression problem, and even add to "logic" (I mean traders are the most developed guys in the game with some kind of life standard. Them not having workstations running seems weird to me.
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Jost Amman
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Duh! I found a smart-ass here I see... :heh:
What I mean is... what do you actually craft based on your skill choices, the parts you find and the materials you loot.
We've been talking about crafting being nerfed, because most people can't find enough parts early enough to craft something that makes crafting worth it vs. just looting or buying better gear from the trader. By your answer, so you apparently never had this problem?
meilodasreh
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I had a similar thought because some of the guys (including me) had stated that especially the pipe machinegun is OP (easy and early to craft).
And with ammo being so regularly found, that thing is a just too reliable DPS monster.
To counter that:
What about all pipe guns have a chance to jam and you have to reload to make em work again.
Chance to jam could be for example 10% for low/grey quality, decreasing to 2% for high/purple quality.
If you ask me they even should have a very low chance (0.5%?) to explode and brake completely (maybe also hurting you) when fired.
So there would be a constant need/interest to develop further/buy a better one/invest points or whatever.
And - well I know the word realism isn't the thing to bring up, but - guns made of just pipe pieces, glue and wood shouldn't be reliable at all.
...says the guy who is able to construct those, but can't figure out how to make coffee and bacon&eggs without a recipe
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I have played a game (can't remeber which) where you had you gun heating up when fired (displayed by a bar filling), and when it overheated it was very likely to jam and had to cool down again before use.
That would also do the trick. The poorer the quality, the faster it heats...
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Callum123456789
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hey guys all I have to say is that this is by far one of the most fun alphas of this game I have ever played what an outstanding job you guys have done @the fun pimps
also another thing I wanted to say is that your previous record players was around 45k which its now 57k and the alpha has only just begun this is great to see
also another thing I wanted to say is that your previous record players was around 45k which its now 57k and the alpha has only just begun this is great to see
bachgaman
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I had a similar thought because some of the guys (including me) had stated that especially the pipe machinegun is OP (easy and early to craft).
And with ammo being so regularly found, that thing is a just too reliable DPS monster.
To counter that:
What about all pipe guns have a chance to jam and you have to reload to make em work again.
Chance to jam could be for example 10% for low/grey quality, decreasing to 2% for high/purple quality.
If you ask me they even should have a very low chance (0.5%?) to explode and brake completely (maybe also hurting you) when fired.
So there would be a constant need/interest to develop further/buy a better one/invest points or whatever.
And - well I know the word realism isn't the thing to bring up, but - guns made of just pipe pieces, glue and wood shouldn't be reliable at all.
...says the guy who is able to construct those, but can't figure out how to make coffee and bacon&eggs without a recipe
Not only would it be fun, but it would also be beneficial for balance. I'm afraid it will be the same story as with stone tools, which are much better than iron and low steel ones due to illiterate balancing of characteristics. The funny thing is that most often you do not have time to use high level steel tools due to the appearance of motorized ones. In the end, my standard game is Stone Tools -> Gas Powered Tools. Perfect balance.
I'm playing without trader right now and I feel how valuable ammo is. I think they balance game for playing without trader
Although all they need to do is nerf the awards and assortment. It's funny that I buy a thousand concrete in the first week and build a concrete base without even having a workbench (in game with trader).
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MechanicalLens
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This negative 7D2D review basically sums up the majority of negative reviews I'm seeing these days, excluding the other types of stupid ones like, "My Internet went down, downvoted."
(I post this in congratulations to TFP. This game was going places before, but now it's shot past the moon.
The positive reviews are coming in thick and fast. Take reviews like this one no notice.)
"I love this game and its concept - basically Minecraft with zombie survival - and periodically come back to it to see how it's going and what's changed. However, I cannot in all good faith give it a positive review for a very simple reason: it's still in Alpha.This wouldn't be a problem normally; games get prereleased all the time to fund their development. But 7 Days to Die has been in development for so long it's starting to give Duke Nukem a run for its money.I purchased this game in Alpha (pre-Alpha maybe, I honestly don't remember) back in 2014; I was single and living with my parents. I now have a wife and a small child, have a stable job and pay taxes. If a lonely, nerdy geek with a passion for Lego can do that in seven years, but a team of developers can't bring out a finished product, that's a very bad sign for said product.I have my doubts that this game will ever be finished one day. I'd love to be proved wrong; as I said before I love the game as a whole. The fact, however, that I paid for an unfinished product with the unspoken accord that it would be finished within a "reasonable" timeframe, annoys me no end, and is synonymous of a mentality that stinks of a distinct lack of respect to the players of the game.
(I post this in congratulations to TFP. This game was going places before, but now it's shot past the moon.
The positive reviews are coming in thick and fast. Take reviews like this one no notice.)"I love this game and its concept - basically Minecraft with zombie survival - and periodically come back to it to see how it's going and what's changed. However, I cannot in all good faith give it a positive review for a very simple reason: it's still in Alpha.This wouldn't be a problem normally; games get prereleased all the time to fund their development. But 7 Days to Die has been in development for so long it's starting to give Duke Nukem a run for its money.I purchased this game in Alpha (pre-Alpha maybe, I honestly don't remember) back in 2014; I was single and living with my parents. I now have a wife and a small child, have a stable job and pay taxes. If a lonely, nerdy geek with a passion for Lego can do that in seven years, but a team of developers can't bring out a finished product, that's a very bad sign for said product.I have my doubts that this game will ever be finished one day. I'd love to be proved wrong; as I said before I love the game as a whole. The fact, however, that I paid for an unfinished product with the unspoken accord that it would be finished within a "reasonable" timeframe, annoys me no end, and is synonymous of a mentality that stinks of a distinct lack of respect to the players of the game.
MechanicalLens
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Eh, it's just a blind mob mentality thing, nothing more. Ask them why they don't like alpha games, and they'll say, "because". Ask them why they think all early access titles are scams, and they'll say, "because". Ask them why a simple label change will satisfy them, and they'll say, "because". Pay them little mind.
The fact these are the majority of the negative reviews I'm seeing is a good thing. Outside of crashes and optimization for the game, I'm seeing fewer and fewer legitimate points of negative/constructive criticism as time goes on.
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