PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary
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SnowDog1942
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As much as I like added difficulty in this game — and I can probably list hundreds of ways Id like to increase it. This would not make it on my list by a longshot.
This seems like the proverbial, “Its not a bug, its a feature”. Please TFP, just sit back think of how weird this seems for any of the non infected animals.
If you like that it adds diffuculty, I get it, just pick a way to add difficulty that isnt as sloppy as this.
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Khalagar
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Strength is OP I don't think anyone including the devs deny that. Fortitude is solid, but not sure I'd say it's OP. Currently the Pipe machine gun is blatantly OP and better than all other pipe weapons, but it evens out later on where shotguns >>>> machine guns. An auto shottie with a drum mag has some ridiculous number of shells and will clear an entire blood moon horde on it's own, and shells are way cheaper to craft than bullets and do more per shell
Bows were bad because they sucked, lol. They didn't do enough damage to justify, and there was no point in using one when you could just use a hunting rifle and still do the same thing. They are better in A20 but I still wouldn't say they are OP at all. Lately I've just been using my double barrel as a stealth weapon, lol. Even with feral senses on, sleepers won't wake up, so I'll usually clear like half of a room with my double barrel from like 20+ feet away while not even in the sleeper aggro zone yet, and the zombies don't wake up while I'm just sitting there crouching and shooting their friends with a loud unsilenced shotgun
The main reason bows feel better now is they actually get kills from stealth, and because the pipe rifle doesn't do enough damage to one hit kill with a stealth headshot without perks. A19 the hunting rifle did, so it out classed the bow in 98.9% of situations
I def think this should be addressed. The power quest is the hardest one by far, but rewards seem the same as fetch / clear which are far easier. For added dev cruelty, you guys should turn on mandatory feral senses during power quests lol, that's what makes the power quest so much more fun
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dcsobral
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It doesn't look like it. On kage848 stream's on Saturday he had lootstage 14 outside POIs, lootstage 19 during the quest, and lootstage 21 on a POI he had visited just before.
You are covered in gore from your fights with zombies, so of course any cut can get you zombie-infected. Besides, the bear might be incubating but not yet transformed, and wolves might be just vectors.
hiemfire
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That's also not accounting for other run of the mill infections which are probably still kicking around in the non-zombified wildlife just waiting for an open injury to start incubating. Infection in game is curable by penicillin, processed from the mold growing on the sham sandwiches and the now defunct moldy bread, and immune system boosters (herbal antibiotics and honey). This kind of implies it is a generalized term now and there isn't just a zombie virus kicking around anymore.
Then you will be bummed to hear the rumor that grass regrowing is back. I haven’t confirmed it but If it’s true, it will kill my ocd neatness thing lol. Also if it’s true, how about putting down a claim block keeps it from regrowing in the protected area?? Not a game killer just an ocd killer.
SnowDog1942
Navezgane's Perv
Anything can be explained away if u are creative enough. It doesnt change the fact that its a stupid game mechanic. At least make it so i get infected from walking into an iron spike for consistency sake, lol
Let me put it in a way TFP may agree. The poor new players will rage quit when a non infected bear infects them, i mean u gotta make it new player friendly right? Being infected by a non infected boar on Day 1 and dying is not a good first impression. Please, make the experience for new customers a good one
HungryZombie
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I have noticed I have been finding more seeds so that's a fair point.
I'm not really worried so much about having seeds available to plant, I was more noticing that it's not really worth it at all to turn 5 food into a seed.
Yeah with the perk it makes it a little more appealing but I'm still not sure that 5 potatoes for 2 potatoes plus a 50/50 chance for a seed is worth it. Does the number of crops you need to make a seed go down with more perks?
I don't really farm much as all so my mind is just thinking of it academically as I don't really have skin in the game regarding the change. I just farm whatever seeds I find and that's been enough for me.
Honestly if I was going to go that route I'd just creative mode myself food. That's not really fun though. I don't really struggle with food though and never get a farm going. I have to be mindful of getting food but between looting, hunting what I run across and buying from vending machines I've never had a food problem except for the really rare random bad start.
HungryZombie
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People have made mods that let you scrap schematics into pages or something and you can use them to research and craft those schematics you just can't find. Might be something to explore.
I don't really care about the XP, it's true. But I really, really hate dying and become very disappointed in myself for it. Having a harsh consequence seems just nasty.
wicketness
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mmmmm... Pretzel Truck.
Much happy.
Just doing some Landscape Work with the players.
Much happy.
Just doing some Landscape Work with the players.
I'm sure the math is right as a lot of people checked the calculations. It is quite simple:
With no LotL never convert produce to seed as you will probably lose food
But with only one point in the perk you will already gain food on average if you convert produce to seeds.
Roland
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I don't really care about the XP, it's true. But I really, really hate dying and become very disappointed in myself for it. Having a harsh consequence seems just nasty.
I get disappointed when I die as well. But when I'm in the middle of trying to solve the critical injuries that I have and do it legitimately, I become even more disappointed if I die and then suddenly all the objectives I was working towards immediately got erased.
Khalagar
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I agree and disagree on the injuries carrying over. I know what you mean about about losing that sense of progress when you are starving / dying of injuries etc and are trying to solve the issue, then it gets "taken away" when you die and you are stronger than ever. I'd be fine with injuries carrying over after deaths, if all of the injuries were fun / not anti fun. Infection and abrasion etc are not a game breaker, it's mostly just concussion and broken leg that are really annoying because they basically remove player agency.
Deaths should probably matter more, but they don't want to create death loops. It's hard to think up ideas that would be fun punishments, without them causing death loops. Things like your respawn location summoning a roaming horde that targets you would be a neat challenge and make you think twice about "spawn on my bed or near it", but then it's death loopy.
Same with something like "dying causes your armor to take X damage". Would make you have to use repair kits and think twice about dying, but then it makes you more likely to die again
Deaths should probably matter more, but they don't want to create death loops. It's hard to think up ideas that would be fun punishments, without them causing death loops. Things like your respawn location summoning a roaming horde that targets you would be a neat challenge and make you think twice about "spawn on my bed or near it", but then it's death loopy.
Same with something like "dying causes your armor to take X damage". Would make you have to use repair kits and think twice about dying, but then it makes you more likely to die again
IzPrebuilt
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But feral sense also seems to massively increase how far away a zombie can see you. How *exactly* does feral sense work? and more importantly where is it hidden in the game files so I can mess around with it?
I see something listed in the XML called AIFeralSense that is set to 1.5 for the basic zombies but I don't see what it does or how it is applied to any of the values? Is it reducing the threshold of noise waking zombies up by 50%? is it increasing the range at which zombies will awaken by 150%? both? The patch notes are painfully vague, I understand that Alpha 20 was a BIG BOI but a lot of really helpul info was left to the players to figure out the hard and annoying way, like how the archery buff was given 1 line in the patch notes but it literally increases the damage of bows from 50%-92%? Did the guy who writes the patch notes not think any of this info was important?
Khalagar
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Was Stun Baton stealth buffed / hotfixed and nobody mentioned it in the patch notes? I feel like in A19 the perks didn't work at all and they suddenly do now, that's how much better Stun Baton is lol. It's actually a fairly viable mid game weapon now. I've been testing it vs Pipe Baton and it does way less damage but the shock seems to do some unspecified amount of DoT that feels way higher than it was in A19 so it ends up with the stun baton being able to actually kill stuff after enough whacks
Bigger issue is the animations, pipe baton is so beautiful I want to marry it and be beaten by it every day, the stun baton animations and model can't compare
Bigger issue is the animations, pipe baton is so beautiful I want to marry it and be beaten by it every day, the stun baton animations and model can't compare
HungryZombie
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So I'm curious, what settings is everyone playing on currently?
I play on default settings with nighttime speed set to jogging. I like more a walking dead type simulator than a first person shooter type game. I might try the feral sense after I explore the new changes.
BFT2020
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Survivalist, daytime jogging, feral sense on all the time, no loot respawn, rest I think I left on default for nowSo I'm curious, what settings is everyone playing on currently?
Code6
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With A20, I am looking forward to putting hundreds more hours into 7 Days To Die.
I thought the game could really benefit from the addition of my second favorite language, Esperanto. I speak Esperanto and I love 7 Days to Die. I have spent the past year translating A19 into Esperanto. I made this work available as a localization modlet on Nexus Mods.
7TagojPorMorti
Unfortunately, as simple as it is to install mods in 7 Days to Die, it is still harder than using a language that is already included with the game. There are not a lot of games that are available with Esperanto, so Esperanto gamers are very supportive of any that do include it. The most relevant example is Minecraft. There is even a server dedicated to Minecraft in Esperanto. I constantly tell my Esperanto friends about 7 Days To Die and over the years I have purchased about 10 copies of the game to share with them. I would love to be able to tell them that 7 Days To Die natively supports Esperanto. (and no longer have to walk them through installing the mod)
I just loaded the new A20 localization.txt into my OneSky project and it looks like there are a significant number of additional phrases to translate. I have already started translation of the new content. It is going to take a while since it is just me and one other person, but hopefully it will be done before A21.
I don't know how to contact TFP directly, but I have been following this forum for a year and noticed that they sometimes read these posts. I would like to offer my
Esperanto localization as a contribution to this game I love.
And if any Esperanto speakers want to join me in a fully translated version of the game, just let me know. I run a server called Bongustaj Cerboj (Delicious Brains).
I thought the game could really benefit from the addition of my second favorite language, Esperanto. I speak Esperanto and I love 7 Days to Die. I have spent the past year translating A19 into Esperanto. I made this work available as a localization modlet on Nexus Mods.
7TagojPorMorti
Unfortunately, as simple as it is to install mods in 7 Days to Die, it is still harder than using a language that is already included with the game. There are not a lot of games that are available with Esperanto, so Esperanto gamers are very supportive of any that do include it. The most relevant example is Minecraft. There is even a server dedicated to Minecraft in Esperanto. I constantly tell my Esperanto friends about 7 Days To Die and over the years I have purchased about 10 copies of the game to share with them. I would love to be able to tell them that 7 Days To Die natively supports Esperanto. (and no longer have to walk them through installing the mod)
I just loaded the new A20 localization.txt into my OneSky project and it looks like there are a significant number of additional phrases to translate. I have already started translation of the new content. It is going to take a while since it is just me and one other person, but hopefully it will be done before A21.
I don't know how to contact TFP directly, but I have been following this forum for a year and noticed that they sometimes read these posts. I would like to offer my
Esperanto localization as a contribution to this game I love.
And if any Esperanto speakers want to join me in a fully translated version of the game, just let me know. I run a server called Bongustaj Cerboj (Delicious Brains).
Aldranon
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So the premise is that all predators are in some stage of infection?
They fight with zombies a lot so I can see the reason for it.
Can zombies hear the reloading sound and react to that?
If that is the case, I would like the player to be able to shout some emotes that has the same effect as when you walk over trash!
For sure, the AI of the zombies has changed quite significantly. That, or some of the new shapes are not fully recognized.
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bachgaman
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So it’s like now I’m writing without a five-page delay. Can anyone explain to me what is wrong with this POI? Found it in another world and checked it, it all happened again.
Item 0 in the post below.
Item 0 in the post below.
If you are caught in a death loop, then you have lost. Why not? After all, death penalties might be optional. In fact, we already have this with the removal of items, but it could be more varied. Rebirth after death should be a second chance, not a reward
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