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Seeing all that talk about the farm "nerf". It got me thinking of another controversial thought regarding RNG, why not have plants also have a 50/50 chance of being it being dead? Like how in-game corn has two models the alive green version and the dead brown version. That way instead you'll know how many plants you'll have to replant/ seeds that have been lost.

 
Blake_ said:
I like the 4 supercorns per seed idea. The more seed yield is a no from me though, for the reasons I stated before.

Bones, lots of bones and murky water everywhere. Supercorn is little more than a very nice mid/late game commodity.
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It's in the patch notes that all 'grandfather's' recipes now require supercorn, so it's still a luxury but now far more impactful than just a route to glue.

 
Release the freakin Kraken already....I disliked as many streams as I could find, don't like spoilers playing in CM for an easy start....Ive played Fan Boy Vanilla from the beginning...Release the Kraken already Moleman...

 
bachgaman said:
Idk, because I didn't buy 5000 subscriptions to be able to play this weekend
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Sodium, atomic number 11, was first isolated by Bachgaman in 1807. A chemical component of salt, he named it Na in honor of the saltiest region on earth, North America.

Bachgaman, I am a little concerned about your diet, it seems you are eating to much salt.

 
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Beelzebubs Ghost said:
Looking at it for what it is in A19, a sensible and functional system that doesn't need to be molested, couldn't I just use the exact same reasoning and say:

'Those who don't like farming, mod your server or individual game to remove seeds full stop, or just don't farm.'
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You could. And people like you did it when I asked why the trader gives out 200 ammo for tier 1 quests

Khalagar said:
People aren't complaining about farming being nerfed to encourage using the perk, people are complaining about the RNG aspect which is not fun and can lead to very unhappy moments, like MisutoM showed in his message on it.  If you take the quest reward for farm items instead of for a gun or bike or something, and get your farm plots and seeds, and have 1 point in living off the land, you can still lose all your seeds after your first harvest with bad RNG, in which case as the player, you are going to ne unhappy that you didn't just take the bicycle or gun

If they want to nerf farming, they can just make it take longer to grow a plant and let living off the land increase growth speed. That way there's no RNG to punish you for daring to try to farm before you have the perk line completely maxed out. The current implementation is basically "Don't touch farming without max perk" because you can lose your entire seed stock

Also, the current method takes way longer and requires a ton more player intervention, which is not fun. It's not a fun use of time to screw around with trying to open menus and craft seeds and drag and drop to hot bars and rearrange things etc just to replant your crops, compared to the current system where you *don't* have to do that and can instead use your time to do something actually enjoyable
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Fine. Then why isn't anyone complaining about the trader's RNG? You can get the crucible in the first week if the RNG puts it in a secret cache. You can buy the AK-47 on the second day if the RNG puts it in the assortment. The awards are also RNG. Loot in chests - RNG. Your position in the random world is an RNG. The quests that the merchant gives you - RNG. Loot from zombies - RNG. Resource location - RNG. Buried Treasure - RNG. Let's delete it all? Or maybe few people who do not want the difficulties in a survival game will start using the creative mode? You don't care how to have "pleasure", so why bother others.

 
POCKET951 said:
Sodium, atomic number 11, was first isolated by Bachgaman in 1807. A chemical component of salt, he named it Na in honor of the saltiest region on earth, North America.

Bachgaman, I am a little concerned about your diet, it seems you are eating to much salt.
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What's salty? I really don't know because I haven't played yet. I didn't play because I didn't buy 5000 bots like some other people did. This is true

 
Hey everyone !

I would like to share a few thoughts about farming and a way to not make it rely on RNG.
Plant growth would have three stages, growing, mature and withered. The mature stage gives fruits but no seed and withered gives seeds but no fruit.
Plant would need 3 days to grow and three more days to wither.
Without LoTL, plants bear three fruit or two seeds.

Lvl 1 : +1 fruit
Lvl 2 : +1 seed
Lvl 3 : +1 fruit +bonus chance to fruits seeds in loot
Lvl 4 : +1 seed +bonus chance to find seeds in loot
Lvl 5 : +1 fruit and withered plants are resowed automatically

At lvl 0 you would have to let 2/3 of your crop wither to fall back on your feet, 
at lvl 2 1/2, 
at lvl 4 2/5
and at lvl 5 1/3

You could ensure that your farm is self sufficient by managing it well and LoLT would make it easier to manage.
I think it would be also easier to tweak to achieve good balance in this form.
About the tedium, you would still have to replant but the extended growing time would alleviate it.

 
Monsieur H said:
Hey everyone !

I would like to share a few thoughts about farming and a way to not make it rely on RNG.
Plant growth would have three stages, growing, mature and withered. The mature stage gives fruits but no seed and withered gives seeds but no fruit.
Plant would need 3 days to grow and three more days to wither.
Without LoTL, plants bear three fruit or two seeds.

Lvl 1 : +1 fruit
Lvl 2 : +1 seed
Lvl 3 : +1 fruit +bonus chance to fruits seeds in loot
Lvl 4 : +1 seed +bonus chance to find seeds in loot
Lvl 5 : +1 fruit and withered plants are resowed automatically

At lvl 0 you would have to let 2/3 of your crop wither to fall back on your feet, 
at lvl 2 1/2, 
at lvl 4 2/5
and at lvl 5 1/3

You could ensure that your farm is self sufficient by managing it well and LoLT would make it easier to manage.
I think it would be also easier to tweak to achieve good balance in this form.
About the tedium, you would still have to replant but the extended growing time would alleviate it.
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LoTL is 3 points,not 5

 
In fact, I always thought that LoTL was a little broken, because just 1 skillpoint invested in it immediately gives x2, that is, + 100% of the harvest. This is very, very strong. I often took it to 1.

 
My opinion on farming, you should always get 1 crop per harvest no matter how many points in living off the land, and each level of living off the land unlocks a group of seeds and lowers cost of farm plots. This worked very well in my hardcore vanilla mod. It took time to slowly grow out your farm. Plus I gave snowberries the love they deserved and you could farm them, the assets are already in the game and went unused. Plus I added snowberry juice for that extra touch of love.

 
jdzane said:
Is this sarcasm or did something happen over the weekend I missed?  I don't like watching streaming stuff, I've never understood the point of watching other people play games.
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First. Of course, I also did not watch a single stream. By the way, I think nothing happened this weekend, as expected, these "testers" did not find anything significant. 

 
Roland said:
I actually have no power to make this happen...lol

@Gazz would have the best sense of how much xp would be too much and he would be the one most likely making that particular change if it got approved.
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Yeah, but the problem is his MS Excel crashed, and now we're all screwed...  :pout:

 
I hope it drops today so I can finally drown out the sound of my wife watching Hallmark Christmas movies.

And no, there's nothing else I could possibly do besides playing A20.

jdzane said:
I don't like watching streaming stuff, I've never understood the point of watching other people play games.
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Same. As a child, my idea of hell was sitting on the couch watching my brother play nintendo and praying that he'd die so it would be my turn. I don't understand the allure of watching people play a game that I would rather be playing myself.

 
icedsun said:
Same. As a child, my idea of hell was sitting on the couch watching my brother play nintendo and praying that he'd die so it would be my turn. I don't understand the allure of watching people play a game that I would rather be playing myself.
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Well because 90% just are not good enough in games- like get 30 kills without dying in cod or kill every boss in ds without taking dmg

 
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