PC Alpha 20 Dev Diary

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Yeah, so my point being, those don't scale with your perk investment at all, and actually nothing on the drone does, so it's weird that it was marketed as a T3 int item. I thought maybe mod slots or cargo spots or something scaled with int so that someone who actually, y'know, invested in the robotic line would have a better robotic drone than a level 1 player.

The patch notes even still say "The drones abilities can be augmented and enhanced by the player’s intellect, but players can still acquire and use a Drone without perking into it."   so I guess the idea for it to just be an unrelated vehicle was a pretty recent one?

I dunno, it's neat to have it in the game since it's a new vehicle basically and I don't want to sound ungrateful, but it's just kind of souring when int doesn't get a t3 cool flashy end game item like everyone else does. Or rather . . . gets one that everyone else also gets for free. Like sure, I can use the t3 sniper rifle, but mine won't be anywhere near the level of a fully perked one used by a perception focused player that's shooting through a whole crowd of zombies, where as every end game player will just have the same drone following them

 
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MechanicalLens said:
You need max living off the land perk to make farming sustainable,
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The way program rng tends to work there is a pretty decent chance that even then allot of people won't be able to get their food source to be sustainable before they just go "@%$# it, I'm wasting my time". If that's what TFP is going for, okay...

 
hiemfire said:
What happens instead of "downgrading"? Does the plant just break?
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The line immediately below provides the answer, no? 

Player planted crops now give 2 fruit per harvest with a 50% chance of a seed
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There's a 50% chance of getting a seed that would need to be replanted. It would follow that a harvested plant just disappears they way they do in the wild.  I don't know how or if the Living off the Land Perk was changed but we will find out soon enough.

 
Kosmic Kerman said:
The line immediately below provides the answer, no? 

There's a 50% chance of getting a seed that would need to be replanted. It would follow that a harvested plant just disappears they way they do in the wild.  I don't know how or if the Living off the Land Perk was changed but we will find out soon enough.
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Not really since it isn't stating that harvesting player planted crops has been replaced with the same result to the "block" as harvesting crops generated at world gen or POI reset. It may be implied, but that is still a grey area that should be made clear. It's par for the course with TFP changelogs though, copy paste from internal update log that was referenced for progress check during dev by people who were privy to other conversations touching on the subject the note pertains to. Which most of us outside of TFP are not.

 
One quick observation from watching Woodle's stream: I would've thought pipe weapons would at least take a workbench to assemble. Day 1 isn't even half over and he could craft one of each pipe weapon and had several rounds for each. Seems a bit much to me.

 
Kosmic Kerman said:
The line immediately below provides the answer, no? 

There's a 50% chance of getting a seed that would need to be replanted. It would follow that a harvested plant just disappears they way they do in the wild.  I don't know how or if the Living off the Land Perk was changed but we will find out soon enough.
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I was watching someone play A20 on stream and I asked them to look at the perk. There seems to be no change. It seems that rank 3 = 5 fruit per harvest, meaning at that point farming is sustainable.

bdubyah said:
One quick observation from watching Woodle's stream: I would've thought pipe weapons would at least take a workbench to assemble. Day 1 isn't even half over and he could craft one of each pipe weapon and had several rounds for each. Seems a bit much to me.
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I personally iffy most on the pipe machine gun. It seem a little too OP in my eyes. I think it needs much higher recoil to balance it with the other pipe weapons.

 
bdubyah said:
One quick observation from watching Woodle's stream: I would've thought pipe weapons would at least take a workbench to assemble. Day 1 isn't even half over and he could craft one of each pipe weapon and had several rounds for each. Seems a bit much to me.
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They have been saying from the beginning that pipe weapons can be crafted from the backpack and would use same ammo as real weapons.  This is not new news.

 
MechanicalLens said:
I was watching someone play A20 on stream and I asked them to look at the perk. There seems to be no change. It seems that rank 3 = 5 fruit per harvest, meaning at that point farming is sustainable.
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That would be a change since in A19 the increase in harvest return was +1 at rank 1 and +2 at rank 3 meaning it'd be capped at 4 per plant if there was no change.

A19 Living off the Land Rank 1

Harvest 2 items from wild or planted crops. Craft seeds for flowers and decorative plants like goldenrod, chrysanthemum, aloe, and yucca. Farm plots cost 30% less to craft.
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A19 Living off the Land Rank 3

Harvest 3 items from wild or planted crops.
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Matt said:
They have been saying from the beginning that pipe weapons can be crafted from the backpack and would use same ammo as real weapons.  This is not new news.
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It has been a good shot in the arm for the crafting game. I have often crafted my first pipe weapon that I wanted before I could find one. It feels awesome even though the dang things are practically a waste of ammo to use shooting at zombies...lol

But I waste that ammo every single time.

Good to see you here Matt :)

hiemfire said:
That would be a change since in A19 the increase in harvest return was +1 at rank 1 and +2 at rank 3 meaning it'd be capped at 4 per plant if there was no change.

A19 Living off the Land Rank 1

A19 Living off the Land Rank 3
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 There was a lot of discussion about this in the dev chat. Same concerns you are voicing were raised and assessed and after testing it they felt it was viable. You'll have to try playing it to see how it feels for you. The farming change is one we knew would be one of those controversial polarizing A20 features...

 
I was watching TacticalFriedRice's stream and he encountered an interesting bug about mountain lions that leap onto blocks do so in extremely slow motion

 
Matt said:
They have been saying from the beginning that pipe weapons can be crafted from the backpack and would use same ammo as real weapons.  This is not new news.
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I'm saying they should make it that way so you at least have to get to the trader and hope, or stumble across a working bench somewhere else. They keep making the beginning of the game easier when there's not much of a mid or late game yet.

Also seems to help this along there is also all the ingredients to make a pipe weapon in every container you loot. Really hope there's more balancing coming, but I doubt it. Ammo was already too abundant, but you usually didn't find a gun right off the bat so it kind of worked. But now you can just craft one within about 5 minutes of starting a game. Just feels like it's going the wrong way to me, is all.

 
Well i saw new gameplays and my question is : are new hd  characters models implemented or not? because well new RWG looks great but i didn't see new zombie models 😕

I mean new models of old zombie types

 
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bdubyah said:
I'm saying they should make it that way so you at least have to get to the trader and hope, or stumble across a working bench somewhere else. They keep making the beginning of the game easier when there's not much of a mid or late game yet.

Also seems to help this along there is also all the ingredients to make a pipe weapon in every container you loot. Really hope there's more balancing coming, but I doubt it. Ammo was already too abundant, but you usually didn't find a gun right off the bat so it kind of worked. But now you can just craft one within about 5 minutes of starting a game. Just feels like it's going the wrong way to me, is all.
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They have looked horribly slow in the reloading of them in the videos.  Not much of a gain at all I don't think. 

 
Roland said:
It has been a good shot in the arm for the crafting game. I have often crafted my first pipe weapon that I wanted before I could find one. It feels awesome even though the dang things are practically a waste of ammo to use shooting at zombies...lol

But I waste that ammo every single time.

Good to see you here Matt :)

 There was a lot of discussion about this in the dev chat. Same concerns you are voicing were raised and assessed and after testing it they felt it was viable. You'll have to try playing it to see how it feels for you. The farming change is one we knew would be one of those controversial polarizing A20 features...
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I don't see notification about your post 0.o strange bug. ( small research: because this is diffrent person) damn i need rest  XD

Okay if you want to play  in this way , you can because this your choice. I'm just dissapointed with "way" how this game is developing.  Gameplay is great but it just "sucks" from aestetic point of view for me. I better option would be if devs decided too keep horror "something between f.e.a.r and silent hill but with zombies" . we don't get this because they wanted to make mad max with zombie. And what i can say @Roland? Cod is terrible- operators in multi, japans with stg in  singleplayer , poor zombie mode as hell. So much bad things. And i can't do anything with this.  

Well i'm so disapointed about most of new  games now ( 7dtd is still new). And what i can do? nothing like with everything. Times of f.e.a.r , dead spaces and fatal frame are gone, plague tale wasn't succesed enough to change mind of people. So we can only expect even more "light and bright" games 

SnowDog1942 said:
What about me? hmm?
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We always remember about you  snowy, you are naughty boi. now bring me you favourite "toy".

 
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Roland said:
There was a lot of discussion about this in the dev chat. Same concerns you are voicing were raised and assessed and after testing it they felt it was viable. You'll have to try playing it to see how it feels for you. The farming change is one we knew would be one of those controversial polarizing A20 features...
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I suspect that is why it wasn't brought up in the streams nor on the first page of this thread. We'll see how it plays out with a larger test group. As is from just reading what is there and assuming that what we think is implied is what has been done (The changelog was a bit vague and danced around the change when I last looked, not a good thing if this does become a @%$# storm since it'll make the devs look worse than if they'd not even mentioned the change. There are enough politicians in the world, last thing we need is more game devs acting like that specific type of subhuman parasite.) it is setting off corked and glued rng bottleneck and entropic cyst warning signals in the back of my mind. Hopefully I'll have my replacement power supply by the time A20 hits stable so I can give it a hands on going over in what ever state it is by then.

 
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