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hiemfire said:
If you have space to move, knives work beautifully against zombies. Stab, either power attack or normal, and then side step while backpedaling. If against a single zombie a sprinting power attack to the head does wonders. Against hostile wildlife.... Not so much.
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shiv or knife + ergonomic grip + weighted head mod = quick kills even on a dire wolf, maybe 5 quick hits to the head. other than the durability mods, not much else stacks with them.

 
wolfbain5 said:
shiv or knife + ergonomic grip + weighted head mod = quick kills even on a dire wolf, maybe 5 quick hits to the head. other than the durability mods, not much else stacks with them.
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Still looking for the schematic and haven't had ergos drop yet. The steel for them won't be an issue when/if I find the schematic, lucked out and found a crucible in Hugh's forge. To be fair, dire wolves have nothing on mountain lions (They seem to soak as much as bears and hit just as hard along with being faster and their pounce. Watching them tear up lumberjack zombies is fun). Those kitties hurt allot if you let get them too close.

 
wolfbain5 said:
actually, I wish they made a combat knife as an upgrade to the hunting knife. I dont like the animations of the machete. just feels off to me. more like a sabre than a machete. and yes, I know the feel of both, used both before for many years
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Combat knife as T3 knife maybe

To my understanding, bone shiv is primitive, machete is T2

 
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Kalen said:
How is it wrong?  It came from TFP, it's linked in XML.txt
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as far as I know, they have t1-t3, always been that way, well, at least for  the last few years. havent seen a t0 announcement yet. could be wrong for a19, and if I am gazz or mm or even roland will correct me.

 
Kalen said:
How is it wrong?  It came from TFP, it's linked in XML.txt
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The steel spear is labeled T3 in the XMLs

<item name="meleeWpnSpearT3SteelSpear"> 

Edit:  I think the confusing part is there are inconsistencies with labeling in the XMLs.  In general, there are 3 tiers to every weapon/armor/tool type.  Some are slightly different like pistols where SMG and DV are both considered T3 I believe.  Another example: Stone Sledge (T1/Primitive) > Iron Sledge (T2) > Steel Sledge (T3)

 
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wolfbain5 said:
as far as I know, they have t1-t3, always been that way, well, at least for  the last few years. havent seen a t0 announcement yet. could be wrong for a19, and if I am gazz or mm or even roland will correct me.
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Laz Man said:
The steel spear is labeled T3 in the XMLs

<item name="meleeWpnSpearT3SteelSpear"> 
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it is, so are several other melee.... however, they're all in the T2 lootgroup

<lootgroup name="groupWeaponsT2_Melee" loot_quality_template="QLTemplateT2">
    <item name="meleeWpnSpearT3SteelSpear"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnClubT3SteelClub"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnSledgeT3SteelSledgehammer"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnKnucklesT3SteelKnuckles"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnBladeT3Machete"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnBatonT2StunBaton"/>

 
Kalen said:
it is, so are several other melee.... however, they're all in the T2 lootgroup

<lootgroup name="groupWeaponsT2_Melee" loot_quality_template="QLTemplateT2">
    <item name="meleeWpnSpearT3SteelSpear"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnClubT3SteelClub"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnSledgeT3SteelSledgehammer"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnKnucklesT3SteelKnuckles"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnBladeT3Machete"/>
    <item name="meleeWpnBatonT2StunBaton"/>
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How about we conclude with both arguments being correct? Technically, the melee weapons go in the following phases: T1, T2, and T3, with the Stun Baton being the exception (which is T2). However, with the primitive age, such weapons could also be labeled as going from T0-T2. The non-craftable variants start to drop in the T2 category.

 
MechanicalLens said:
How about we conclude with both arguments being correct? Technically, the melee weapons go in the following phases: T1, T2, and T3, with the Stun Baton being the exception (which is T2). However, with the primitive age, such weapons could also be labeled as going from T0-T2. The non-craftable variants start to drop in the T2 category.
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Heh, fine with me.... at the end of the day it really doesn't matter what you label them.

 
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