PC Alpha 19 Dev Diary

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madmole said:
With agility goggles it is only 5 points to hit level 2 of run and gun, which should be pretty good. Why does that feel like a hard detour for you? Or do you feel you need all 3 ranks so you can game the hordes properly? It is behind agility for a reason, his firepower isn't that great. So you want it to be super accessible so you can be OP with whatever weapon you want.

If we create a general perk tree, you'll still have to pump points into general, making everyone forced into the same situation we already have only worse, now there is another attribute you have to elevate just to get into cooking, mining, and whatever else we put in there, and then we water down the other perk trees and make purist builds that much harder.

 
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I already mentioned, no gates in the general attribute. No investment in the general attribute. The general tab would have no prerequisites; You invest in the perks listed under it, nothing more.

 
MechanicalLens said:
Just ignore him madmole. He's not worth it.

(Every opinion is welcome here, Trunks_Budo. Unless you're being disrespectful, offensive, and a general @#&%@%$ in the process. We're all adults here, except for Adam (possibly others). Act like one. Please.)

(Also, Run & Gun isn't "needed"; trust me, I know, because I go complete Rambo style whenever I see zombies. Not once have I been tempted by quicker reload times when sprinting, and I've been doing just fine. :)  )
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Don't underestimate the hip fire of it either.

 
HA! Nobody likes stealth? Absolutely bull butt chunks. I enjoy stealth, and once high enough, those ceiling zombies don't notice you. Easy to snipe them at that point, if you bother to look up once in a while. I have several people I've played with that find at least some stealth is a good thing. It all plays into how your gamestyle is....

 
MechanicalLens said:
(Every opinion is welcome here)
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Speaking of opinion! does anyone find Random gen a bit "Artificial" i don't know how to describe it,

i loaded around 3 Random gen worlds and all the Biomes kinda spawn the same.

"Pine in the Middle, Snow in the East to North East, Desert in the north, Crispy forest in the West and Wasteland to the south!"

to me it feels kinda artificial. i don't know if that was intentional but it makes it so odd. it feels random with citys but with biomes it feels the same!

@madmole or any TFP Staff?    

 
Trunks_Budo said:
I already mentioned, no gates in the general attribute. No investment in the general attribute. The general tab would have no prerequisites; You invest in the perks listed under it, nothing more.
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Then everyone is gonna have the same cookie cutter build picking the best perks.. I'm assuming your not playing with friends? The guys i play with thoroughly enjoy that we all specialize into different areas. One guy is the cook/hunter, another the melee/miner/meat shield, the intellect and crafting guy, the commando with lots of weapon skills and then me where I'm like a jack of all trades for when someone isn't playing in our group.

 
MechanicalLens said:
Hip fire huh? That's news to me. *Shrugs*
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It's just way too invaluable for how it changes the player's approach to Bloodmoon hordes. Running around, wrangling zombies into a group by running in circles, throwing molotovs into the density of them, then feeling confident that you can empty your clip into the rest and sprint away while reloading... Run and Gun is invaluable because of that. And Madmole stated he'd consider trying some sort of an integration of Run and Gun into every other attribute, so I'm good. I was heard.

 
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Trunks_Budo said:
It's just way too invaluable for how it changes the player's approach to Bloodmoon hordes. Running around, wrangling zombies, throwing molotovs into the density of them, then feeling confident that you can empty your clip into the rest and sprint away while reloading... Run and Gun is invaluable because of that. And Madmole stated he'd consider trying some sort of an integration of Run and Gun into every other attribute, so I'm good. I was heard.
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Alright, I admit that in that situation Run & Gun could prove to be very useful, yes. But since I only "run & gun" in POI's, I have not felt the pressure to invest into it. To each their own.

You are wrong that no one likes stealth, but it is pretty well agreed upon that stealth, especially early to mid game, needs some fine tuning. (The triggers that zombies have to awaken are too sensitive, for example.)

 
Do I feel horrible? Like a complete dirt bag? Yes. I feel guilty, remorseful, I owe you an apology madmole. Also you, mechanical lens. I just felt like my primary point was overlooked. Understandably, how many replies do the devs have to respond to in a day? It's easy to get caught up in the monotony of it all and pass over the point someone is trying to make, and only devote an empty reply to it. I feel guilty for blowing up, I am sorry, I'm grateful you guys entertained me and heard me. Now I need to try to calm down. Once again, I'm sorry.

 
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Trunks_Budo said:
Do I feel horrible? Like a complete dirt bag? Yes. I feel guilty, remorseful, I owe you an apology madmole. Also you, STW. I just felt like my primary point was overlooked. Understandably, how many replies do the devs have to respond to in a day? It's easy to get caught up in the monotony of it all. I am guilty, I am sorry, I'm grateful you guys entertained me and heard me. Now I need to try to calm down. I'm sorry.
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just pack a bowl o plant fibers and play some 7 days brother, we still love you.

 
Trunks_Budo said:
Do I feel horrible? Like a complete dirt bag? Yes. I feel guilty, remorseful, I owe you an apology madmole. Also you, STW. I just felt like my primary point was overlooked. Understandably, how many replies do the devs have to respond to in a day? It's easy to get caught up in the monotony of it all. I am guilty, I am sorry, I'm grateful you guys entertained me and heard me. Now I need to try to calm down. I'm sorry.
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Not trying to sound rude here, but no, I do not forgive you, and after the rant you just went on, I will never see you in the same way again. Nonetheless I will not treat you any differently. An apology is not needed imo, just act better next time and going forward.

 
Trunks_Budo said:
Do I feel horrible? Like a complete dirt bag? Yes. I feel guilty, remorseful, I owe you an apology madmole. Also you, STW. I just felt like my primary point was overlooked. Understandably, how many replies do the devs have to respond to in a day? It's easy to get caught up in the monotony of it all. I am guilty, I am sorry, I'm grateful you guys entertained me and heard me. Now I need to try to calm down. Once again, I'm sorry.
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Well takes a man to admit when he was wrong.

Cheers mate :)

 
Trunks_Budo said:
It's just way too invaluable for how it changes the player's approach to Bloodmoon hordes. Running around, wrangling zombies into a group by running in circles, throwing molotovs into the density of them, then feeling confident that you can empty your clip into the rest and sprint away while reloading... Run and Gun is invaluable because of that. And Madmole stated he'd consider trying some sort of an integration of Run and Gun into every other attribute, so I'm good. I was heard.
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He said "If run and gun is such a must have..." which isn't really determined yet. Before you crashed the party the discussion was going for hours about miner69er or sexrex being the essential perk. We will see if your impersonation of an internet mob routine has a consequence, I assume they will wait for telemetry data to tell them the real situation.

 
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PoloPoPo said:
Had to start a new savegame as Navezgane simply felt too boring for me. Not too bad though, starting a new game is pretty exciting and renders putting new ideas into practice possible.

Two things:

1) Have tried putting brightness on 15 % as advertised by some guys here due to too much light at night. As I have said this makes the game in general much much darker and to be honest, it looks stupid. With A19 the lighting at daytime looks really awesome on standard brightness, setting that to 15 % takes away a lot of the beauty. Won't do that. Guess I have to live with too bright nights for the moment.

2) With my new savegame on a custom random world I wanted to try an underground base from day 1. However, digging holes is pretty weird on that map. The alignment for holes is always angular to anything else above ground. See my attached image where the wooden block can be placed as a square but the holes appear as a rhombus. Digging that underground base like that is really bad as I end up hitting wrong blocks all the time due to that weird alignment of holes. I could not even place a ladder in that shaft as I wanted; had to put the ladders diagonally in a corner. Why is that?

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Anyone?

 
I have never needed to run and reload so i never saw a use in run n gun, sneaking with a bow has new appeal to me, though my aim sucks with my mouse hahaha, but all this arguing isn't truly productive. I'm trying to think of new perks that can be added into the game which would make sense, like metallurgy and when taken it could help reduce the amount of metal used to create ingots and metal related items and maybe increase crafting speed of metal related items, lol, im odd that way.

 
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