With some of the builds I played I was looking at 11+ points invested in an off focus tree to get a QOL perk to the point that it was decent
That's a pretty consistent issue with nearly every build. No matter what "build" you decide to use, there are still near mandatory skills you have to invest the majority of your points into. It takes so many perks to actually get the perks to a valuable level, and most of them aren't even the stuff your build is focused around
Basically all builds eventually want
Maxed out
- Miner 69
- Mother Lode
- Quest Reward perk in Intellect
- Better Barter in Intellect
- Junk Turrets because they make horde nights affordable
Some points in
- Health Regen
- Pack Mule, how many points in it depend on how many deep pocket mods you find
- The gardening perks based on whether you want to grow a garden, most people do late game so they don't have to worry about food
- The stun resist perk
Essentially all builds are going to dip into Strength 100% chance (unless you are hardcore RPing some weird build specifically to not use strength), and most people go into Int for Junk Turrets and the perk that gives better quest rewards and better prices on stuff late game unless you are playing life on hard mode.
The other trees are kind of niche and have stuff where you are like "I'd like to have it, but it's too expensive to invest in right now" and have to get them later on after you get Miner 69 and your "main" perk the build is built around.
Like Fortitude has some really solid stuff but it's more for midgame and late game. Nearly everything in Perception and Agility both is really niche, they have okay things but they are mostly just for specific gimmick builds. Int is simultaneously the worst tree in the game and best tree at the same time. All the building / crafting / stun baton stuff is terrible, but the trader stuff and junk turret are ridiculously good to the point of being broken
I
REALLY think the attribute system needs a total overhaul as well, because it's counter intuitive, like saying "I have max Fortitude, I bet I'm super tanky!! Oh wait, max fortitude doesn't increase health or durability? It increases . . .machine gun damage?????"
The perk rebalance will hopefully address it, it makes sense to consolidate the meh skills in with better ones, and lower the amount of investment required. I'm hoping we get patch notes soon so we can start nerding out with Excel to complain about which perks are bad before we actually get to use them and test them