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Anybody care to provide a brief explanation on the niche appeal towards Linux and, more importantly, while it's still around? 😛
Personally, I was using windows 10 all "happy" as could be.  ( I have always had a hatred for microsoft, even if it's not based in reality. )

During one of their automatic updates, something went wrong and my laptop turned into a paperweight.  Rather than try to go about fixing it with the OS that would give me the best results in all things, I went for the option that would turn my brick back into a computer quicker.  Got a flash drive and put a Linux install on it.  Functionality is miserable.  But it's good enough for an internet box.  This potato wasn't good at playing most games anyway.  I'm banished from playing intensive games anyway until I get a new rig, at which time I will be going back to windows, but with a physical disc installation.  So that future bricks can be resolved with minimal time spent on getting full functionality.

 
From the numbers I've seen for most companies, it's usually something like Linux users are less than 0.1% of the user base and over 20% of the support tickets. I'm honestly a bit surprised this game works on Linux. If they were going to hire full time staff just to support weird things, they would get a way, way, way higher RoI to just hire someone who knows consoles to port the updates to consoles. There's still a weirdly high amount of people who insist on playing the ancient console version, judging by every TFP Tweet having 400 "WHERE'S MY CONSOLE UPDATE" comments
I didn't say that they hired dedicated people to support Linux, I was saying that they probably have people on the team that use Linux.

I know quite a few people, my self included, that after a long day of working with Windows features want to come home to stuff that actually works. 😀

And for the console stuff, it's not the development that's the hard part. It's the publishing restrictions.

 
Food use for vehicles. Im fine with it.

Seeing that the player doesn't have to sleep. After driving 12 hrs etc, im tired as. So food and drink slots into that imo. 

 
Anybody care to provide a brief explanation on the niche appeal towards Linux and, more importantly, while it's still around? 😛
Because I get tired of fixing windows. Also Linux is not niche, it's probably running on every device you own. Yes even your windows PC uses it. 

 
Personally, I was using windows 10 all "happy" as could be.  ( I have always had a hatred for microsoft, even if it's not based in reality. )

During one of their automatic updates, something went wrong and my laptop turned into a paperweight.  Rather than try to go about fixing it with the OS that would give me the best results in all things, I went for the option that would turn my brick back into a computer quicker.  Got a flash drive and put a Linux install on it.  Functionality is miserable.  But it's good enough for an internet box.  This potato wasn't good at playing most games anyway.  I'm banished from playing intensive games anyway until I get a new rig, at which time I will be going back to windows, but with a physical disc installation.  So that future bricks can be resolved with minimal time spent on getting full functionality.
I'm sorry you're computer crashed but if you set it up with a real disk she would fly. Let me know if you need some help, I don't mind helping people convert. 🐧

 
 If the idea is more centered around stopping the fleeing from Horde Night then perhaps a gradual debuff could be added to increase wear and tear on the vehicle the longer you're driving it at one time, increasing when you sprint for an extended duration? 
I already said it has nothing to do with horde nights. That has been addressed in A19 by the use of Vultures.

 
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faatal said:
I challenge you to drive a car down a beat up gravel or dirt road and see how easy it is. My wife and I did last year in a rental car and it was tense. Rock noise, bumping up and down, trying to not hit the big dips that might damage the car. That constant alertness and stress was definitely using calories.

Decaying old roads are not like the streets you are driving on now.

Now the gryo would not fall into that category, but I'd think sitting on a metal frame, looking down at the world with wind blasting you in the face and trying not to crash into something, would be equally stressful.
Living in a mauntainous town with heavy snows up to 1 meter high sometimes.. It is not only calories, it takes brain cells if not using them properly.

Good addition and explanation why it is in, have your time guys, and we here can't wait for the release.

 
Anybody care to provide a brief explanation on the niche appeal towards Linux and, more importantly, while it's still around? 😛
.... I can spot a troll a mile away, and that looks like a troll. :-D

Extremely customizable so it allows a lot of freedom and there isn't a governing body that decides how you have to use it. The double edged blade side is it's extremely customizable which allows a lot of freedom and there's no governing body to decide on OS wide standards, so developers of software have to account for 400 bajillion variables. 

It's basically just used for servers or by ultra niche turbo nerds who feel like spending 2 hours trouble shooting issues every time they want to log in and do basically anything
Oooo... I'm and Ultra Niche Turbo Nerd! (UNTuN for short.) and yes, breaking your computer and fixing it to learn more about how it "thinks" can be fun and rewarding. once you know that you can ensure that it does exactly what you want it to do, and absolutely nothing more.

The game runs faster.
BIG reason here... (Also the cost is a big factor as well... I prefer to spend my cash on hardware instead of software.)

Because I get tired of fixing windows. Also Linux is not niche, it's probably running on every device you own. Yes even your windows PC uses it. 
Linux is easier to fix than windows usually because of just how accessible everything is! (Although, you can also completely screw things up that way, so it pays to know your limits, and when in doubt google it.)

I'm sorry you're computer crashed but if you set it up with a real disk she would fly. Let me know if you need some help, I don't mind helping people convert. 🐧
THIS is one of the reasons right here... there are So Many Linux Users that are willing to give time to help. Good on you Nfg!

 
"And let's be honest it does absolutely make sense at least for the bicycle."

--> No, it still does not make sense. Jogging burns more calories than cycling.
Running or turbo on the bicycle use stamina at the same rate. Stamina regen uses food, so they are the same, except you traveled farther on the bicycle for the same amount of food.

 
From the numbers I've seen for most companies, it's usually something like Linux users are less than 0.1% of the user base and over 20% of the support tickets. I'm honestly a bit surprised this game works on Linux. If they were going to hire full time staff just to support weird things, they would get a way, way, way higher RoI to just hire someone who knows consoles to port the updates to consoles. There's still a weirdly high amount of people who insist on playing the ancient console version, judging by every TFP Tweet having 400 "WHERE'S MY CONSOLE UPDATE" comments
Usually?

https://mobile.twitter.com/grumpygamer/status/858387467187101696 , "Over 1/3 of Thimbleweed Park sales are are on Mac and Linux. You're being silly if your ignoring that."

Now granted, that surely was an outlier.

Your tweet talks about 20% of "automatic crash reports and support tickets", which is a bit of a difference. A lot of automatic crash reports could just be from a small group of players who coped with the crashes by saving a lot.

 
Not trolling, I had just assumed Linux was one of those "brands" (for the lack of a better term. Types of devices??) that was very rare and thus was hanging on by a thread, but apparently there is more to them than I thought. Still, as much as I hate Windows 10, that's where I'm sticking.
Nah, I was referring to the ..."and why it's still around" part. (It made me chuckle tbh)

...also realize that some Linux users are playing the games via WINE (an interface layer that stands for Wine Is Not Emulation), and so to the reporting system it looks like it is running on Windows 10 or 8, but is actually being translated in real-time to native Linux instruction calls. Like I said it can be fun to learn what is possible, and even push those bounds some times.

 
SnowDog1942 said:
Theres Noaa way -- I can tell by the look in his eye.  Try not to twister his words.

Sorry DaVega, not all bad puns are rock related :(
No worries, I see the need to make other puns. You're just between a rock and a hard place now. I'm afraid what you're hard place is though.

 
I already said it has nothing to do with horde nights. That has been addressed in A19 by the use of Vultures.
Would you care to elaborate, please? Will Vultures catch you in any vehicle during horde night and deal an insane amount of damage or what does that mean?

By the way, while I am writing in this topic already, it is worth to start new topics for following two bugs (in Alpha18)

- campfire sound remains even if the campfire has been slacked (happens to forges as well sometimes)

- marksman rifle bug where I have around 80 bullets in the magazine that can be used without another reload (instead of 8 bullets I should have with the mag extender mod)

or are they known already?

 
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Food consumption numbers while driving seem pretty high, but as we're not actually spending rl hours in them maybe the %'s are so high so they have a noticible impact? We'll have to see.

In that vein (and plz don't hate me for posting this): wouldn't the Auger be a natural target for increased food consumption?

Maybe it is already, but I've never noticed it if so.

Having run a 90lb jack hammer a few times I can tell you that _that_ will drain you, far more than four wheeling will, and I envision the Auger as something like a jack hammer, so...

Speaking of four wheeling; breakage & maintenance are a non-trivial thing in rl.

In-game 'wear' is so slight I can't even say with certainty if we use Repair Kits to repair vehicles in A18, as I haven't even had to think about repairing one.

While I like the general shift to using Repair Kits for most things (still think Leather Armor should use just leather), for vehicles maybe needing RKs + Electrical/Mechanical Parts + Iron & Steel Ingots to repair from serious degradation could add in more of a "oh oh, I broke down in the middle of nowhere, now what do I do??" feel to things.

Maybe 'top off' repairs with RKs, but if you let it get damaged to <75%, chances of not being able to get it running again without more than RKs increases.

As 'late/end game' mechanic. Not suggesting a freshly crafted 4x4 should get to <75% in it's first run, unless you drive it off a cliff of course.

And if repairing found vehicles ever becomes a thing, that could add to gameplay, "hmm, I like this bigger truck, but it's been hammered and will take a lot of rare-ish mats to fix up, while that minivan over there is in decent shape.."

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"Linux" was primarily 'just' a re-write of generic "Unix" (done by a crazy guy named Linus) so it was open source, thus 'free'. Once free it went nuts & folks all over added/tweaked/created new things, because they could. Not just 'programs' that had to run on top of the OS but significant changes to the OS itself.

When Apples OS went to version 10 it was (and is) running Linux (Edit: correction) instead of their own proprietary OS. That they'd been developing since Apple was started.

iPhones (Edit: correction) & Androids & Chromebooks are all running Linux. Google runs on Linux.

Not just the net-box you use to connect to the Internet, but your TV, fridge, BR/DVD player, all are almost certainly running Linux.

Edit: correction; Apple OS & iPhone iOS are not "Linux" per say. From wikipedia;

"Darwin is an open-source Unix-like operating system first released by Apple Inc. in 2000. It is composed of code developed by Apple, as well as code derived from NeXTSTEP, BSD, Mach, and other free software projects.

Darwin forms the core set of components upon which macOS (previously OS X and Mac OS X), iOS, watchOS, tvOS, and iPadOS are based. It is mostly POSIX-compatible, but has never, by itself, been certified as compatible with any version of POSIX. Starting with Leopard, macOS has been certified as compatible with the Single UNIX Specification version 3 (SUSv3)"

Vast majority of finance & pretty much anything considered "critical" is handled by *nix (either Linux or Unixs' like HP-UX/Solaris/AIX).

The concept of "Virtual Machines" started way back when in Unix since way back when (1970s) there weren't 'desktop computers', users used 'dumb terminals' to connect into large computers (which could support hundreds of users at the same time) to get their work done. Necessitating seperation of access/rights/privileges/resources, eventually leading to the idea for entire VMs.

So the basis, and underlying tech, for Cloud Computing.

Consider Info-Sec at any significant scale. I think there was one firewall vendor that offered their product to run on Windows Server? And I'd assume it was for a niche market of the very rare (& likely only small) Windows only IT shop. Everything else I know of used to protect the internet & data runs *nix.

While Gates/Microsoft did leverage hobbiests simple brilliance of cobbling together non-propritary off the shelf hardware to create home or desktop computers. By selling a, mostly, hardware agnostic Disk Operating System for the masses, it was both a marvel and a complete mess. And to this day Windows is still playing catch-up to *nix for stability, freedom & speed.

For perspective I've worked at a company where we had Unix based firewall clusters that were handling hundreds of thousands of connections per day that had uptimes of multiple -years-. Imagine that. Huge rule sets, lots of dynamic changes, gigabytes of daily logs, and the dam things were so solid, from filesystem/IO code to zero memory leaks they could be up for that long running at high utilization.

 
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