PC Alpha 18 feedback and balancing thread
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madmole
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Lots of particles that look good take time to develop and consider knives an experiment at this point. We might change them completely so doing special particles would be a waste of time right now. Once knives feel right we'll task some improvements on them such as particles, sounds, etc.
madmole
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Should be working, can you try it on every gun? Maybe new ones were forgotten? Which gun doesn't have a distant gun shot sound?@Madmole
Gun distant sound.
What happen to the sound of distant gun shots that was in A17?
Now its just the generic sound of the weapons regardless of distance heard from. The distant gun shot sound affects in A17 was amazing and helped a lot with immersion........
madmole
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There is truth to this, we'll add more value to other perk trees so the decision is harder perhaps. But with an auger you don't need mining, it depends if you want it early game with primitive tools or not. Heavy armor perks don't do much IMO a good athletic jacket and mods feel more valuable than the armor perks IMO, unless you craft it. We havne't got sniping with a rifle or rockets to a great state yet. I think when there are bandits like the gunners in Fallout 4, the perception build will really come into fruition IMO. Sniping at a great distance can be a lot of fun, especially combined with stealth if done right.
Even now you can't snipe more than one zed, that will get fixed. I want it so that if you have a silenced weapon or bow you can score multiple sneak shots (doing sneak damage) before they know where you are for sure. Like they will look around and move generally closer to you, but not know for sure where you are and sneak damage will still apply. This will make rifles and stealth much more appealing IMO.
faatal
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That is simply Unity saying the default terrain shaders are missing. We don't use the default terrain shaders, so it does nothing bad that I can see. Unity changed that in a newer version, so it auto includes those shaders and the message won't happen, so when we update Unity, no more message.
Chairkicker
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Doesn't this game have an AKS? That has a folding stock, and so would prob fit.Maybe that wall safe is a full meter long
madmole
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So don't use them. I'm not a conjuration guy in Skyrim, I like to do my fighting myself and not minions. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is broken or bad, it's just not your thing. Not all combat is going to be equal, it matches and offsets their other strengths. A blade guy might not be as nasty as a sledge guy, but he will be able to one shot quietly with sneak damage, where the bulky sledge steel armor guy can't get close and his death blow will wake up the whole POI if he does. In skyrim you can get 30x sneak damage as an assassin with knives wearing DB armor. But if you fail, they do a pathetic amount of damage to an alert opponent so you might have to run and let them go back to sleep before you try again. Its fun though, the risk reward is very high.
TSBX
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Don't expend all of your positive energy your time off has built for you.
Spears COULD use some work, in the form of a base bleed chance of 2-5% based on material tier for instance, and adding perkDeepCuts. Doesn't do a ton of alpha damage, but allows for an agile "stick and move" style of gameplay. Maybe add some AOE or Penetration effects to later levels of Javelin Master and you've got a nice tree there.
Scyris
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I hate the SI system, if something is going to collapse ONLY the most recently placed block should fall, not the entire part, or worse what usually happens, is the entire structure mostly falls apart due to ONE block being over the tolerance in 1 section of the base. Made a 3 floor tower-style base, was building the roof, I put 1 wood frame to many, not only did the entire roof come down, but it somehow took down the other 2 floors below it, even though they were completly stable until then. If only the most recent block would fall it would notify the player they need a support there, and not nullify everything else they built when it all comes down due to the 1 block over tolerance.
Because of this in a16 I mostly build my base underground, however in a17 and a18 zombies now dig, so this is not as good as a option especially with how zombies can hear perfectly thru blocks, which is another issue entirely, if the walls are more than 3-4 blocks thick, it should block most noise other than really loud things like a auger or gunshot. In a17/a18 I mostly rely on certain poi's for bases, as they are pretty sturdy. However, with a18, we now have demolishers, which throws another wrench into making bases, as you have to abuse the AI even more now to deal with demolishers, otherwise they will just totally destroy your base, their explosion block damage imo is set WAY to high, its currently 5000 in a 5 block radius, it should be dropped down to 1000, this still makes them a threat with how easly they are to set off, but at least it won't demolish your entire base if 1 or 2 blow. There is very little you can do to defend against them other than somehow killing it before it gets close, which is not always an option due to how they sometimes come from random sides. Nevermind the fact even traps and other zombies can trigger the vest to explode. Besides, when you think about it the demolisher makes no sense, who the hell strapped that vest on a zombie and let it loose in the first place. The radiated zombies make sense as in the games lore nukes were dropped to try to stem the infection, but the demolisher in the games lore makes no sense and feels completly out of place.
Scyris
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I think the problem with the perk system is they are looking at it mostly from a Multiplayer perspective, in MP with other players you can specilize more, however in single player you have to do everything yourself, and there just is not enough points to go around. I force myself to go str and fort mainly till lv 60+, because those 2 stats offer the best weapons (Sledgehammer for melee, and mguns/shotguns for guns) and other must have perks. I never get anything in Intel, perception or agi. Perk wise, I get nerd glasses and get 1 in grase monkey for a early bike adv engineering 1 for the forge and the 20% craft speed increase, lockpicking 1 since that allows me to craft them, agi.. I usually take nothing in agi as there is nothing decent for 1 perk point. I also hate how they added perks that make crafting forge items cheaper, but to compensate they upped the crafting cost of virtually everything in a18, and to get it back down to a17 level you need to perk into it.
As to people complaining about the wrench, I usually never take any points in salvage ops, and by day 7 I have more parts than I know what to do with, there is lots of wrenchables in poi's. If you quest a lot you also get a refreshed poi you can wrench/loot everything again. I actually get most of my mechanical parts, electric parts, plastic, springs and iron pipes from inside poi's than I do from cars. In fact I only wrench cars if I need gas, a engine or a car battery.
As to people complaining about the wrench, I usually never take any points in salvage ops, and by day 7 I have more parts than I know what to do with, there is lots of wrenchables in poi's. If you quest a lot you also get a refreshed poi you can wrench/loot everything again. I actually get most of my mechanical parts, electric parts, plastic, springs and iron pipes from inside poi's than I do from cars. In fact I only wrench cars if I need gas, a engine or a car battery.
JCrook1028
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Just a quick feedback on FOV settings. I use 75.
Scyris
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Only melee weapons that are viable later on are probably sledgehammer and then clubs, the rest, not so much, they lack the range, or damage, or crowd control ability, or a combo of all 3, or even all 3 in the case of knives. Perked sledge, you'll almost always be knocking zombies down on the first or second swing no matter what zombie it is. This is the only thing that makes sledge viable later, a downed zombie is no longer much of a threat. A power attack with sledgehammer will generally knockdown anything even with body shots. So if you got a runner, aim a power attack at its torso for knockdown then go up to headshot it for the kill. With clubs, their main way of knocking down is via power attacks, any power attack has a high chance to knockdown when perked into it, and with sex t-rex club power attacks are extremly low stamina.
Mind you as you stated past a certain gamestage its just easier to go ranged, as it has the dps to kill things much faster, plus the saftey you don't need to get close.
As for the perk thing I agree, your pigeon holed into certan stats if you don't wanna totally suck at things, like without miner 69'er/motherload, it takes forever to mine anything and you get crap resources back, so everyone is going to need at least 3-5 str. In fort, living off the land at least 1 point is needed (more is a waste imo), healing factor is great later on as it saves quite a bit in medical supplies. Pain tolerance stacks nicely with armor and being immune to stuns is wonderful. Since were mostly pigeon holed into str and fort, I just run with str and fort weapons, Sledgehammer and shotgun from str, and machine guns from fort. I don't even touch the rest of the weapon perks are they are rather.. garbage compared to the str melee for melee, and the shotgun/mguns, especially mguns are the best guns lategame. Shotgun was made great in a18.2, more damage, more effective range, but very sharp damage falloff at block 6 and up, with 10 blocks resulting in 0 damage done. Its a close range handcannon that always stuns so if the first hit doesn't kill them, the 2nd will and they are slowed to a crawl with that first hit.
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