PC Alpha 18 feedback and balancing thread
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mr.natural
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The junk turret is OP against animals. Example, use it on a zombie bear, put it down, sit and relax. Zombie dog gets killed in 2,3 shots.
And that is unperked into Turret Syndrom and an unmodded turret.
It is mostly the stun effect that is so powerfull and should be tuned down. But I think it should also do less damage to Animals. Or at least against the Zombie Dog
And that is unperked into Turret Syndrom and an unmodded turret.
It is mostly the stun effect that is so powerfull and should be tuned down. But I think it should also do less damage to Animals. Or at least against the Zombie Dog
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Hollowprime
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"Mechanical parts and springs are not craftable"
This is a very,very bad move devs. You should make mechanical parts and springs easier to craft and find, not the other way around. There are many items that use mechanical parts and springs used to be expensive as well.
Edit: While we're at it, wouldn't it be better to either get more parts for higher level items?
And even have a perk that gets adds various resources when scrapping items? Not just the parts but also other components like a few duct tapes,mechanical parts and springs too?
This is a very,very bad move devs. You should make mechanical parts and springs easier to craft and find, not the other way around. There are many items that use mechanical parts and springs used to be expensive as well.
I think Junk turret is fine. It's great against single targets but ok against multiple targets. It also requires a lot of skill points to level up unlike melee and ranged weapons.
Edit: While we're at it, wouldn't it be better to either get more parts for higher level items?
And even have a perk that gets adds various resources when scrapping items? Not just the parts but also other components like a few duct tapes,mechanical parts and springs too?
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Hek Harris
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Mechanical parts and springs easier to craft and find? In this case, they should be removed. Heck, whenever I see the word easier in this forum, I'm getting a year old. Now I'm 157 but I'm hanging on.
So which do you think takes more effort? Levelling up specific skills, gaining the tech-base (forge, crucible, skillbooks, ect) then gathering the raw materials (via mining, scavanging, ect) Finally culminating in created the item that you want.
Or... opening boxes until you randomly roll the item that you want on the loot table?
Relying on pure RNG to get the items you want, at the quality-levels you need is daft.
It's a survival-crafting game. 90% of the loot you find is worthless trash, useful only for breaking down for the parts that you require to actually build something worthwhile. Or for selling, which is basically the same.
All the best loot should be craftable only, because crafting top-tier stuff is a culmination of hours of effort.
Finding something in a box is just dumb luck.
I'd rather work towards my t6 pump shotgun for multiple in-game weeks, rather than just... happen to find one in a gunsafe somewhere.
Maybe if there was a guarantee of something good at the end of a large POI (like the shotgun Messiah factory) then you could repeatedly undertake high-difficulty raids to try to get the thing you want.
That's not really possible though, because what is 'good' depends on your build. I could find a t6 steel sledge, sniper-rifle or machete and not care about it at all, but a t6 shotgun or m60 would have me lose my mind.
More effort should result in higher rewards, but as is right now though, you've got about as good a chance of finding the thing you want in a two-story gunshop as you do in a huge POI, so your effort might not be rewarded, and your casual looting might result in something incredible.
Edit: Mechanical parts and springs are already basically not worth crafting. Springs take way too much steel, parts take... duct-tape, I think?
It's much easier to just go out and dismantle cars and beds for them.
Personally, i'm fine with this. If you're one or two short, you can make them if you need to, but if you've ran out completely, then it's time to go out on a wrenching expedition.
If you can make everything you need from raw materials, then you don't really need to leave your base.
iron/steel/concrete ect can be pulled out of your basement mine, and used to upgrade your base massively, but to actually build guns or tools, you need to go out and find parts.
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Hollowprime
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Frankly I feel stupefied by your reply. I don't know what's worse, the devs trying to water down the building element and focus solely on stupid ♥♥♥♥ing looting, or by the very fact you don't like a little complexity in the game.
The game is ALREADY too easy. I want to make it HARDER but more rewarding. I want to focus on building a base instead of looting 24/7. I want to craft a humongous castle and max out the size of the horde just because. It's literally a voxel game and you're treating it like a fortnite PUBG clone.Currently you just max lucky looter and are guaranteed to find ludicrous loot that you normally need singular maxed out perks to find. E.g. you require maximum intelligence to craft an anvil but you can get anvil from schematics with a little bit of looting. I found two cogs and learn n elixirs in a house with max lucky looter which requires expensive and rare ingredients AND a maxed out cooking skill which is ridiculous. Farming has been nerfed time and time again yet I somehow find endless amounts of food everywhere I go. I now can't build steel tools and items because I need to find other tools first. This is completely illogical and stupid. At least allow me to craft those parts which I somehow could craft with iron but am too retarded to craft with steel. Even guns aren't that hard to assemble either.
The entire game removes the realistic component instead of adding more. You can somehow harvest human corpses but you can not harvest zombie corpses . You can even zip elements now even though you can't hold the items seperately . You can build farming plots from rotten meat even though that meat should be absolutely infectious . Reality in this game often times contradicts itself .
Finally I'm starting to see a pattern here. Where the devs are so bad at this game ,including yourself, that they have to water down the mechanics of the game . I also believe this has started to occur only recently in A17 maybe with the addition of a member who is solely responsible for balancing the game . This person probably has no experience to do this task . And frankly I'll get even more vulgar about it in the future.
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Hek Harris
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Your assumptions about how I play after 5000 hours of fun and intensive use of all the mechanics of the game are sadly ridiculous. If you are unable to enjoy the game as it is and, at the same time, unable to mod it in a way that suit you, I can't help you.
Hollowprime
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Your 5000 hours lack of knowledge that the drawbridges require huge amounts of springs alone makes me very angry.
madmole
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Why, to force everyone into mining? 18 is about choice and not needing every perk. Same goes with people who think there is too much cement in loot. Not everyone wants to stare at ore for hours at a time. Get to day 200 and tell me how much ammo you are swimming in. You'll probably put loot and harvest on 200% to keep up.
madmole
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Disagree. With 16 alive there are more clusters of zombies doing much more group damage, putting urgency to spray and pray vs carefully tap for headshots. Also on late game hordes you'll kill 500 zombies instead of 250, simply because more zeds are always at your base pounding on it doing damage. With only 8 alive you can pretty much kill them before they arrive, have less vultures, less puke, less everything, its a completely different game.
Jay_ombie
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I play with 16 zombies enabled. I get through a load of ammo. It seems lots to start with (I don’t tend to mine so looting and buying ammo is my way) it depletes fast but having the option to run and gun caters for my way of playing for early game.I disagree with your disagreement.
Penetrator + 7.62 ap == less ammo spent for more zombies. Just make them line up which is incredibly easy and there you go. More zombies means less ammo usage unless I am missing something ofc.
AtomicUs5000
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OK, so everyone forced to go Penetrator route just because someone wanted less ammo in loot?I disagree with your disagreement.
Penetrator + 7.62 ap == less ammo spent for more zombies. Just make them line up which is incredibly easy and there you go. More zombies means less ammo usage unless I am missing something ofc.
custom_hero
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I support
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for me, the meaning of the game lies in its name. 6 days a week do not touch me, on the 7th day you are welcome.
why do we need a sandbox, a voxel world, if you can not create/build in it.
for me, the best version of the game is still A16.
about balance. at the trader, bullet cassings are cheaper than brass.
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I support.I just turned off heatmap for auger/saw, forge,chem,bench in the
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for me, the meaning of the game lies in its name. 6 days a week do not touch me, on the 7th day you are welcome.
why do we need a sandbox, a voxel world, if you can not create/build in it.
for me, the best version of the game is still A16.
about balance. at the trader, bullet cassings are cheaper than brass.
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Hollowprime
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Do you know if the penetrator perk works with junk turrets?I disagree with your disagreement.
Penetrator + 7.62 ap == less ammo spent for more zombies. Just make them line up which is incredibly easy and there you go. More zombies means less ammo usage unless I am missing something ofc.
En_Dotter
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It is called minmaxing. If you want to go a certain (non-optimal) route that is your play style and that is fine. If you want to say there is too little certain thing when doing a certain route then there is a problem. Buffing/nerfing a thing or things to suit a certain play style cascades to other play styles and most probable result will be your desired style feels fine and balanced while some other style now becomes most optimal and some decent styles go to ♥♥♥♥.
At this point with so many variables it is nearly impossible to balance all styles and nature of humans is to go the path of least resistance. This is especially noticed in multiplayer where a lot of stuff is totally out of wack, but for pve it is totally fine.
Onarr
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I would also love to see more street lights in the cities, and have q to repair and restart the power plant, which would result in streetlights working at night.
Or after repairing and clearing waterworks, you can use water bottles on sinks to fill them with clean water.
The quest to clear and fetch supplies are boring. Id love to see a rebuilding quests, where if you complete it, it has some effects on landscape around you and provide you some kind of perk. So As you clear out a city, you get real feeling of actually rebuilding. In time, once NPCs are in game, with finished quest and city infrastracture repaired (power, water etc.) instead of zombies, you get survivor spawning, with which you can trade, some of them occasionally having rare items to sell from their scavanging trips.
Everything could start with small trader post PoI that would be inside every city, and as you complete quests and advance to higher gamestages, it grows and becomes a true survivor sanctuary with many NPCs.
Once the city is liberated from undead, bandits will take notice and start raiding it. Instead of zombie hordes, you get bandit hordes
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