Doombringer101
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And this is why no one should accept strange drinks from crazy German potters
PC Alpha 18 feedback and balancing thread
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mr.natural
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You are correct, don't ask me how but I started an older game, lol
Just checked and it is always the same number, no more percentage, great.
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mr.natural
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Yes please
hotpoon
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Isn't the whole point of using a mindwipe because you found all the recipes or schematics and so now you no longer need the perks?
I know that there are some minor benefits that the perks give you that the books don't, but that is a choice the player must make: whether those minor benefits are with keeping the perks for, or speccing into something entirely different.
The developers have said nothing about any change that would make restarting mandatory. So:
If hitting some bug is one of your biggest worries and can sour the game for you, then restart
If instead you can keep a level head and just go into creative mode to correct the damage, then carry on.
When I updated to the newest experimental, one of our forges bugged out (the game hung up immediately when I tried to access it). I used a pickaxe to destroy the station, replaced the some lost stuff from creative and that was it. You might see different effects (like the trees) or have no problems at all. Nobody can predict that.
Laz Man
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Yep, I think that's why they are considering changing it as its OP. A complete mind wipe plus the high cost is probably what is needed.
The super prepared would stockpile a copy of every book that they already learned which I think is an acceptable activity as it takes effort to do so.
lord_ahriman
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I'm leveling up too fast: 82 to 90 in less than 2 days (just mining and building). I think the good spot would be 500k for each lvl at my current lvl, but I need 187k and that would make my gamestage skyrocket so I change it to 25% (although, I really wanted 33%, but I don't have necessary skills to change xml so 25% it is).
( If you had used "schematic perks" instead of "perks" and "schematics" instead of "books", your post might not have been so confusing. :cocksure: )
You are right, that would be one way to see it. But there are schematic perks that allow you to build things and then never need them again. All the vehicle schematics and the crucible schematic can be safely forgotten after you built one.
Liesel Weppen
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The XP gain is still very unbalanced, but it became better with A18. I play only private multiplayer with friends and we specialize our chars, mostly according to the persons playstyle.
I usually play the "food supply"-guy, so i do farming and cooking. While my buddy is our builder, he now builds a small concrete wall and gains 5 levelups, while im cooking and farming my ass off and get almost nothing at all. Iirc harvesting a plant from a plot gives like... 8 XP, cooking delicious blueberry pie no XP at all.
Lastly i also specialized in rifles and finally built my marksman rifle (after searching the build menu for minutes until i realized, in the build menu its called "mr-10"...) and got no XP for building that.
My buddy upgrades 1 rebar frame with concrete and earns f...ing ~800XP per block... most zombies get less XP when killed. Other way round, repairing damged blocks gives only very little XP.
Yeah, i know, he can place the rebar frames and let me upgrade them... that's what we did anyway, because our builder was 10 levels ahead soon. But that's not how we want to play. He likes building, i don't. But the xp mechanics forces me to do it and he has to stop with it.
I think gained XP should align with the needed skill and ressource costs. Building a weapen should give maybe 1000XP, because it needs specialized skills and expensive ressources. Building a reinforced concrete block doesn't need expensive ressources and you do it a hundred times, so maybe building one block give 50XP. Reparing a 50% damaged reinforced concrete block should accordingly give 25XP then.
Harvesting own plants from plots should at least give the XP like wild plants. Also Cooking should at least give you some XP. Maybe cooking water 2XP, cooking a meat stew 50XP?
Of course this then needs to be scaled to what XP amount is which level.
Maybe that is not (so) relevant in singleplayer, because the single player has to do everything anyway.
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Roland
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Upgrading 20 blocks requires your time and activity. Cooking 20 delicious blueberry pies is clicking a button and then forgetting it.
You could upgrade 20 blocks simultaneously with your pies baking and get both xp rewards which would leave your builder friend behind.
Ongoing crafting xp— especially those jobs done at workstations simply turn into xp factories for the sake of power leveling when they exist in the game. Since crafting in this game is “click once and forget” it should never have ongoing xp rewards. As it is I think you do get xp the first few times you craft a new recipe. It was like that in A17 but I haven’t noticed if it is still that way or if it applies to workstation crafting.
You could upgrade 20 blocks simultaneously with your pies baking and get both xp rewards which would leave your builder friend behind.
Ongoing crafting xp— especially those jobs done at workstations simply turn into xp factories for the sake of power leveling when they exist in the game. Since crafting in this game is “click once and forget” it should never have ongoing xp rewards. As it is I think you do get xp the first few times you craft a new recipe. It was like that in A17 but I haven’t noticed if it is still that way or if it applies to workstation crafting.
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beHypE
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Crafting stuff should yield experience aswell. I'm playing with a less experienced player and as such I usually do the building and he does the filling/upgrading, needless to say I get the short end of the stick for the hardest of the 2 jobs.
@Roland I understand the issue but once again the system is tinkered around preventing min-maxers to butcher their own games, just like LBD back in the days. And let's be honest, upgrading 20 blocks once you have anything but a stone axe is pretty swift.
@Roland I understand the issue but once again the system is tinkered around preventing min-maxers to butcher their own games, just like LBD back in the days. And let's be honest, upgrading 20 blocks once you have anything but a stone axe is pretty swift.
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CoolJ
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It already costs 40k dukes to do it. If they made it wipe the recipes you already found, no one would use it. Hell, I can't be bothered to use it now even though I could afford it and I have a few points that might serve me better elsewhere. So yea, keep going to get this nerfed. Just like power attacks are worse dps and worse stamina usage than regular attacks unless you are using knuckles or a hunting knife. That is what you get when you pander to the "Everything is OP" crowd.
Keep that in mind every time you see a youtuber power attack into a crowd of zombies with a sledge hammer. It might look cool, but they are still dumb for doing it.
Another thing is the RNG in this game simply isn't. There is nothing random about going into a book store and finding 8 copies of the same book from 24 bookshelves. That is not random. Every play through of the game I do, there is always something that I can never find after extended play time. All I have to do is go into the creative menu. Give one of that item to my player. Save the game. Then drop that item on the ground. I will find then find the item again in no time. That is not random. It is clearly being influenced by position in memory and it is also proven to be influenced by the order of the loot list it self. This problem is made way worse by the fact that the lists of things you can find in containers is far too big. It just makes it that much more unlikely that you will find the thing you are looking for in the appropriate place. I don't know about you, but I just love finding trash in refrigerators and food in the trash. The high amount of loot overlap in the various containers hurts my brain.
canadianbluebeer
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lvl 68, 3500+ kills, no deaths, day 50, GS 140. default diff.
Oh, I got the 1hp trees too, same thing, stable to exp on the server. The little pine trees are back (seems they were missing) and a lot of the others popped back in.
2 of them right in the middle of my spike rows around the base. was a treat killing them I tell you.
(I know I have to wipe the server, but dammit, I JUST got the book to make the m60. I'll put up with the trees for a bit)
On the mind wipe, yes, the whole point to me is, I have the books, so don't need the low level perks I took (eg: chef)
Losing the book skills too, would defeat the purpose. Granted, one could just spawn back in the books, but...
Blake_
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I didn't test workstations in particular. I earn some exp by crafting certain things, but the amount is small enough that it's nothing more than a nice little plus. Upgrading xp is very well balanced, because:
1-Encourages building.
2-Needs sweat and active gameplay to achieve.
3-It's similar to killing Zds but it tends to be slower because resources run out and need restocking/crafting.
CoolJ
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That is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is there is always an item that is not found after an extended play time. Whether it is something I want or not. When I say extended, I mean like by like day 80. If I then go into the creative menu and give that item to my player and save the game. Then I drop that Item on the ground, I will, with out fail, find that item in subsequent loot runs in appropriate containers. It is a QA check that people in the industry use quite often. It is to check if an item being loaded into memory affects the chance it will be found. In this case it does. I have done a lot of video game QA as an actual job. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean the person pointing it out is wrong.
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