PC Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!

[Adam the Waster]

Lol! Yeah, there is too much lead in the game, in general, whether it’s Navezgane or random gen. It’s been like that for a long time. It would be nice if it could be used as alternative junk turret ammo, maybe requiring twice as much as iron.

that and maybe you can uses it to make Rad suits , armor plates , a unique ammo for both the blunderbuss and Junk turret. some new traps ETC

 

[Guppycur]

The design is that once you die they stop attacking. However, this is a known workaround to restart the horde if they would want to, after they killed the horde off or took too long to get back into action and the horde despawned. I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings, hopefully you can see that with my previous post. I would hope for some good design ideas and exchanges is all. Sometimes you have good ideas, or intent, other times I wonder how you ever though of anything good This one is the worst I've seen, no offense.

Lol no worries, I type with a grin on my face, as I assume everyone on the internet should.

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Trickle is boring. I'd rather see full on madness until 4am.

Blood moon trickle *fix*.

That's the name of the mod but it's definitely not a trickle. It's name is derived from fixing the trickle that 15? 16? used to have at the end of the main spawns. Y'all had it like 2 to 4 or something slow back then.

 

[madmole]

Lol no worries, I type with a grin on my face, as I assume everyone on the internet should.

Fine, I thought you were having a bad fishbowl day or something over there. Dallas got hit by a tornado! Most places don't have basements in Texas either. Scary stuff.

 

[Guppycur]

Perhaps tying slot numbers to quality is just not right. Why not just make every mod work, but its effectiveness is reduced by a certain percentage for its respective weapon quality instead

Naw I kinda get the quality connection to mod slots. A high quality gun will have the ability to add a silencer or laser sight, whereas cheaper lower quality versions will not.

 

[madmole]

That's the name of the mod but it's definitely not a trickle. It's name is derived from fixing the trickle that 15? 16? used to have at the end of the main spawns. Y'all had it like 2 to 4 or something slow back then.

I think the build up feels good now for SP. Some groups see demolishers on day 21.

 

[Guppycur]

Sometimes you have good ideas, or intent, other times I wonder how you ever though of anything good This one is the worst I've seen, no offense.

With so many of my mods having become standard in vanilla, I'm okay with your assessment.

 

[AtomicUs5000]

It's name is derived from fixing the trickle that 15? 16? used to have at the end of the main spawns. Y'all had it like 2 to 4 or something slow back then.

What made it especially bad was that one zombie that would trickle in would often be a crawler.

 

[pregnable]

I would still like to see T6 crafting brought back for the primitive tools and weapons, for a primitive build.

Like I said before, you will probably never find T6 versions, and the crafted ones do not have random stats. Not that big of a deal, but I would like a T6 stone axe.

 

[madmole]

With so many of my mods having become standard in vanilla, I'm okay with your assessment.

Sounds good. I have no idea what your mods are but the creme always rises to the top.

 

[Guppycur]

Well, not exactly. I caught him on his first try several days ago. People on his stream told him there was an A18. He said something like he was not going to do some extra steps to install it, but in much cruder words than that. You know that tricky opt in process Steam has? That only nerds can figure out.

Lol, that's insane.

... although I can /somewhat/ sympathize, I refuse to create an account for nexusmods just to dl a mod...

Something something principal something

 

[madmole]

I would still like to see T6 crafting brought back for the primitive tools and weapons, for a primitive build.
Like I said before, you will probably never find T6 versions, and the crafted ones do not have random stats. Not that big of a deal, but I would like a T6 stone axe.

They probably shouldn't even have quality, I mean they get discarded by the time you can craft orange typically.

 

[Haidrgna]

Yes they can (after opened). Here is the issue. Player crafts bundle at 80% the price. Opens bundle, gets 100% resources, smelt/recraft for endless resources.

Ah yeah, yeah because there still is the option to empty the forge for some and you do not have the actual Ore for all mine-able resources. I guess you do not want that complication either, but if they could only craft from the ore. But there are surely better ideas than bundles to save space.

One idea could be that the miner books also teach about mining rubble from ancient civilizations, so you can mine destroyed stone for a chance to get brass, lead, gold, maybe even rotten flesh, who knows whats down there. Would only need to remove the recipe to make destroyed stone (which seems redundant anyway), otherwise people could make and mine that for a chance on profit.

 

[pregnable]

They probably shouldn't even have quality, I mean they get discarded by the time you can craft orange typically.

Nah lol, I love my stone axe. Mine is dyed pink and has a flaming mod on it, lel.

I just need a T6.

 

[Laz Man]

What made it especially bad was that one zombie that would trickle in would often be a crawler.

Speaking of which, if crawlers are still a thing in any horde type they need to be removed....

 

[Jugginator]

Fine, I thought you were having a bad fishbowl day or something over there. Dallas got hit by a tornado! Most places don't have basements in Texas either. Scary stuff.

Hope all of you didn't get hit too bad! We just got wicked thunderstorms from the aftermath.

Did my day 14 horde on 16 spawns, man I had fun but realized archery/gunslinger prob isn't going to cut it. Then again, I haven't had the best of luck on loot nor POIs nor trader locations on my map. I didn't get to finish my base all the way, and after they broke my initial wall/trap layer they melted through the second layer, which gave them access to the top of the base. Was fun fighting the congo line up top for a bit (Pistol perk is actually pretty good), then I managed to fall down into the trenches. Was slamming meds running and gunning! I got surrounded on both sides at one point, picked the path of least resistance thankfully and broke out bleeding and my med kit kicked in at exactly 1 hp hah. Managed to get outside the base and kite the horde for a bit, randomly 180'ing around to pop a few shots off.

Then click click click - out of 9mm and 7.62 ammo. Managed to get into my hatch/tunnel to the main core of the base and closed the door inside and just repaired from 3am - 4am. Great fun -- never would have thought a day 14 horde would do that to me.

I had to respec out of stealth build... wound up getting me killed due to a feral hungry zombie falling out of a (scripted?) poi trap sequence doing >32 damage to me in one hit since all I had on was some leather armor, even though I was crouched in stealth not doing much. I guess the mid-game for stealth is risky if you haven't gotten lucky on gearing/etc.

 

[Hek Harris]

You mean blow a whole point on a single recipe unlock? That is interesting but I think it would make for a better mod than a change to the base game.

Thanks for the answer

I hope you'll reconsider it (with the fact of removing schematics from traders stock) : it's a good way to avoid complaints when players don't find a recipe and don't want to spend points through the 'intel' tree. It's also a real choice : should I REALLY spend a point for this recipe or keep hope to find it in a few days ? Currently, when you play solo on a PVP server, you can't avoid intel tree.

But I understand it's a lot of work and that you have to move on, so don't worry, I won't orsey you.

 

[Laz Man]

Ah yeah, yeah because there still is the option to empty the forge for some and you do not have the actual Ore for all mine-able resources. I guess you do not want that complication either, but if they could only craft from the ore. But there are surely better ideas than bundles to save space.
One idea could be that the miner books also teach about mining rubble from ancient civilizations, so you can mine destroyed stone for a chance to get brass, lead, gold, maybe even rotten flesh, who knows whats down there. Would only need to remove the recipe to make destroyed stone (which seems redundant anyway), otherwise people could make and mine that for a chance on profit.

I like this idea. Being able to mine useful stuff out of something. Similar to how there is a book that allows you to get more brass from wrenching a sink.

If there isnt already a book that increases mining yield, that could be a thing as long as the increase isnt game breaking.

 

[Guppycur]

Have to agree with MM on that one. I doubt anyone will intuitively know to to make sure they have enough bag space when repairing. That's bad design in my book and unnecessary micro management.

Well then the other solution would still work; have degradation decrease the stats each time, thus ignoring the mod slot "issue".

Item keeps its color, this its mod slots, but the stats on the item decrease it into uselessness.

...don't let mm convince you that because one edge case scenario causes "bad design", that the inherent idea of degredation returning to weapon quality is bad.

Because it isn't.

It is possible to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Guppycur]

Sounds good. I have no idea what your mods are but the creme always rises to the top.

And I'm not implying y'all are ganking my stuff, because I know you're not, just to be clear, but things I've done before y'all include feral zombies, rage zombies, and random getting up zombies.

Bunch more too, but a bunch that have not. (Shrug)

 

[AtomicUs5000]

What is the archery weapon progression supposed to be like? In my last game, I found a pretty excellent iron crossbow, but it just wasn’t working out for me and I ended up reverting back to a low level wooden bow.

If it is supposed to be a step up from wooden bow, I think the reload time plus the time for it to go back into aim mode plus the time for the crosshairs to narrow plus the stamina for aiming is not a better-than-or-equal-to tradeoff.

Crossbows weren’t that great in A16 or A17, but I was good with it in A16 and where most people went for the compound bow, I still preferred the crossbow. I’m not enjoying it at all now though. Something is just off about it.