I see your point, regarding skill point investment compared to others. If that is a concern to the devs maybe they can add other benefits aside from total DPS to the turret perk tree. Fro memory I know the current perks give things like greater range in addition to more turrets. So those need to be factored into the comparison as well.
Did you FIND a working workbench at a trader or in a POI? All in all 3 ways to get a workbench.
What mods did you place in the AK? And what was your baseline AK?
Survival 101: Don't mix up the can of pears with the can of peas !!!
Guy I was playing with last night said the same thing. He felt like theres no reason to go outside of our 2km bubble around our base. I said we could turn off loot respawn so we have to go further and further and he reminded me missions just respawn everything D: He wished there was a way to not have the traders send you to a POI more than once.
Same T6 spawned in AK in both tests both baseline and spec'd. Reflex sight, Drum Mag, laser sight, muzzle break. I could have of course put rod and pin in there to instead of muzzle break for both. I did not use AP ammo either time. Both AP ammo and Rod and Pin would have increased the power share of the AK relative to the turrets in both situations, which really doesn't help the turrets themselves to be competitive. I was trying to give turrets an actual chance lol. With AP ammo involved turrets do like 30% of the DPS vs hordes of enemies instead of 50% of the DPS. Marksman Rifle with AP rounds cleared a grouping of 25 feral bikers almost as fast as an AK without AP rounds due to the extra target penetration. AP gets +1 target baseline but Perception build adds more for snipers.
. Explosive arrows/bolts are just that good for horde nights and groups and you can stealth kill or stealth open and fight everything else....including treasure rooms full of rads and ferals lol.
It is a game changer but I want to do a big vehicle final pass yet with mods, breakdowns and collisions should do much greater damage.Just made a bicycle for the first time ever. Not complaining but it is night and day difference vs. Running around (especially since you can continue to sprint even with 0 stamina, bug I assume).
On foot, there was the threat of the occasional zombie, the new mountain lion (I'm in the snow biome) and sometimes a wandering horde.
On a bike, and I assume any vehicle, you can get almost god like status and the threat level goes way down. I'm sure this isnt a new thing to A18 but maybe something to consider...
...I will play with the bicycle and other vehicles more to see how I feel later. Might just be knee jerking...I did have to perk into work stations in order to build one so there definitely was a trade off for the ability. I guess, at the end of the day I could also just increase the difficulty.
Yea - been trying to but when you are looking at 100+ posts a day, things get blurry.
Right - but those show what has officially been changed. They don't tend to include speculation and trying-to-work-on items for some strange reason... :rapture:
Making the turrets work so that they are just as powerful and just as convenient as an AK would make the two attributes progress to something that would feel almost exactly the same. I think it is great that they work differently and feel differently and play differently. If that means YOU will NEVER choose to go the route of intelligence because you like the most convenient and most powerful choice (even if it is the same choice) every time you play....well, I can live with that.
How do you feel about increasing the baseline magazine capacity of turrets, thereby removing one of the many complaints about turrets and Int focused character builds? Or, adding a + magazine size buff into the Intelligence stat so as you specialize in Int, you not only gain the increased damage but also need to pick it up & reload less frequently (which temporarily removes its damage output while you are reloading)? I don't think turrets should ever become an easy "I win!" button, but the Int tree feels a little weak in comparison to others, and I don't think rewarding those who specialize in Int with some additional buffs is out of line with the balance and goals of the game.
For that just click on madmole or faatal's names and select latest posts and read what they are working on for the next patch. But for me to work on consolidating information and then to have it just all show up in the patch notes anyway in a few days is a lot of unnecessary and redundant work. We had an update on Friday and another will probably come today or tomorrow that is pretty speedy turnaround that you can get by reading each new update to the patch notes.
