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PC Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!
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Adam the Waster
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no this is patrick
Exxodous
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Maybe since they were human they "remember" what doors are for.....getting in a building. Seems logical to me that there may be lingering remnants or instincts left over that makes them want to go towards a door. The lore is what you make it sometimes.
As far as traps being ineffective?? I've had no problems getting zeds to run into traps. If you dig a trench and place spikes in them they never path around them, they just walk over the top and die.
Or
Give them a choke point path to you and they will keep walking the path regardless how many die to spikes, barbed wire etc.
Or
Use electric fences, dart traps, shotgun turrets. I've never seen them avoid those either
You are correct that if you place a wall of spikes, they can walk around them or once a path is created they will follow it. I like to think I'm smarter than they are so I do not use those tactics. *shrugs* It's not hard.
I say the AI is 1000% more enjoyable than the last 3 Alpha's but of course it's just an opinion like yours I suppose.
Roland
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Agreed 100%. The current AI is so fun that it is worth a bit of adaptation to base design in order to account for it. I also like to think of the first two blood moons as the opportunity to discover their favored path. Then you have a corridor that you can work with to destroy them. People like me are so glad for the changes and the gameplay they bring.
faatal
Fun Pimps Staff
I tested Vulkan last year in A17 and 80% of what was rendered was pink.
I tried Vulkan again today after seeing you mention it, since we are on a newer version of Unity (2019.1). Turns out all the pink rendering was shaders needing to be updated. Fixed that, but unfortunately even with the latest nVidia drivers, the renderer hangs after a few seconds in Navezgane in the editor or a build. Probably bugs in Unity's Vulkan code. I see 2019.2 has a bunch of Vulkan fixes, so maybe it will work the next time we update Unity. Possibly A19.
It did not hang in a Prefab playtest, but didn't notice any big performance change.
unholyjoe
QA
here is a small update from me about the game stage and blood moon.
day 70 Blood Moon, level 59, mixed steel armor and iron, GS 177 and 4 deaths early low level.
percentages are guesses not exacts
80% radiated
5 or 6 demolisher (2 exploded took out sound ground but not base walls)
defenses were - barbed wire traps, iron spikes, 3 blade traps 9 dart traps (somebody forgot to turn on the damn dart traps)
lost 90% spikes and barbed wire traps, 2 blade traps broken and 1 crippled
i have found that with spitters, they keep you moving (if you stand still their acid will bring down the walls), then at higher gs game the combination with demolishers cause quite a bit of damage and the others took advantage of it. 4 different times through-out the bm night they changed their attacks by coming from different directions.
people, at high game stage... the blood moon is for real now, (if you dont dig a giant hole and fish from it that is..), my simple minded ground defense is holding up so far (if i would remember to turn ALL of my traps on).
day 70 Blood Moon, level 59, mixed steel armor and iron, GS 177 and 4 deaths early low level.
percentages are guesses not exacts
80% radiated
5 or 6 demolisher (2 exploded took out sound ground but not base walls)
defenses were - barbed wire traps, iron spikes, 3 blade traps 9 dart traps (somebody forgot to turn on the damn dart traps)
lost 90% spikes and barbed wire traps, 2 blade traps broken and 1 crippled
i have found that with spitters, they keep you moving (if you stand still their acid will bring down the walls), then at higher gs game the combination with demolishers cause quite a bit of damage and the others took advantage of it. 4 different times through-out the bm night they changed their attacks by coming from different directions.
people, at high game stage... the blood moon is for real now, (if you dont dig a giant hole and fish from it that is..), my simple minded ground defense is holding up so far (if i would remember to turn ALL of my traps on).
faatal
Fun Pimps Staff
I think they are oversized intentionally to make them easier to see and match hand size better as they are released (spawned). That is how I found them set in the XML when I started working on them. I did reduce the Molotov size yesterday to reduce edge hits when you are throwing past something in addition to reducing their radius by 1m and using an actual radius check for players to their hips, so you don't set yourself on fire as easily.
Well, there is a catch with spike traps. They have to be level with the ground, then the zombies walk over them like you want it, and they are very effective. But it is not really easy and obvious to find out.
Like this for example:
And what is your problem with blade traps?
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madmole
Fun Pimps Staff
We might add a no blood moon option someday, and a way to rent a safe room from a trader but not right now. I don't see what the big deal is, you can already cheese the blood moon very easily, just not undergroundIf I may make a suggestion as to explain why some people (including myself) 'kneejerk' at this stuff - it would be this.
We have had certain 'features' added to the game - digging zombies being one of them for a start - which some people (again, myself included) do not like and wish could be turned off.
Having the option to disable features, certain zombies, or anything else can only be a positive thing. Choice. Lets say it together - choice.
C. H. O. I. C. E.
Did I mention choice? That way any selfish individuals intolerant to options - having things both ways and not only 'their way' could just shut their traps and play exactly how they like, and the rest of us can flip switches and enjoy, and be grateful to the developers for bestowing such wonderful gifts upon us to create our very own truly individual instances.
#LikeThat'llEverHappen
RipClaw
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The AI generally seems to have problems with railings. For example, in Bear Den (Prefab Business_old_03) there is a bridge with a railing in the back room. Behind it are tanks containing zombies. The zombies wake up and then the CPU load goes up and FPS goes down.
There are only 4 or 5 zombies but the load on the system is worse than on a bloodmoon horde. I guess because the AI has trouble calculating the path. The zombies first try to dig their way under the railing, then stop and jump over the railing.
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