Adam the Waster
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Depression 5 is in effect
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Well at least we got a Ton of new weapons!
PC Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!
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Well at least we got a Ton of new weapons!
Zombie_Jam
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If I may make a suggestion as to explain why some people (including myself) 'kneejerk' at this stuff - it would be this.
We have had certain 'features' added to the game - digging zombies being one of them for a start - which some people (again, myself included) do not like and wish could be turned off.
Having the option to disable features, certain zombies, or anything else can only be a positive thing. Choice. Lets say it together - choice.
C. H. O. I. C. E.
Did I mention choice? That way any selfish individuals intolerant to options - having things both ways and not only 'their way' could just shut their traps and play exactly how they like, and the rest of us can flip switches and enjoy, and be grateful to the developers for bestowing such wonderful gifts upon us to create our very own truly individual instances.
#LikeThat'llEverHappen
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Adam the Waster
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Note do you think any zombies that were Removed will ever make a Return like the Fat Hawaii zombie?
zombies like the frigid hunter. and others?
zombies like the frigid hunter. and others?
Zombie_Jam
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Hey Adam,
The last I saw the flyin' Hawaiian was back in. I'm not sure about the frigid hunter. You don't mean the lumberjack do you?
Adam the Waster
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Zombie_Jam
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Oh wow that must have been an Alpha before I picked it up.
That looks quite nice actually. And I, for one, am all for new zombie models. And a few new old models
Seeing the same zombies again and again just gets boring and especially when you see spawns consisting of 60% of the same zombie.
Numbers don't even need to be increased, a little variation makes the world of difference.
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Adam the Waster
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granted 1 zombie Had to be Removed "the feral walker" because it was a used model in another game.
also i made a Post that you could check out (if you wish) https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?126260-New-Zombie-Types!-and-Special-zombies
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Adam the Waster
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to me its alot and i love all of them lolI never weighed them all in a18 but i sorta doubt they weigh a ton... could be wrong thooh smile already
Zombie_Jam
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That is a lot of work you put in. Good job
I like those ideas very much, the elderly and father zombies and female counterparts like the mohawked biker and businesswoman - and some really great supporting stuff there like radiation damage, fireball fireman, and small area zombie heals
It would be great to see some of those things in. At the moment its a bit stale and if even a couple of your ideas were implemented it would be a lot of fun.
The bodybuilder with the health of six zombie bears may be a *little* OP though
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Arma Rex
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@Madmole, with the double barreled shotgun could it have a mod that extends the barrel to a normal length? I like the idea of two consecutive shells hitting bears. Also, the reload for the double barrel seems off. Perhaps add some shells fly out when opened, and also show the shells being loaded into the gun? Not to mention the scaling for the Grenade and the pipe bomb seem really off when thrown, might want to tweak that as well.
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Adam the Waster
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The body Builder is like the Mid stage Behemoth while the one joel would add would basically A armored Train
the Body builder is Strong but the best way to kill him is to break his legs and then Finnish him off thx tho
and i hope at lease 1 of them get added also i made some other post thxs for the feed back!
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Zombie_Jam
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You're most welcome
I just saw MadMoles latest video, have you seen it?
The grenades look amazing and they pack a real punch. Size adjustments could be made and perhaps they could exchange those super-bounce rubber pipebombs for some metal ones.
Also, MadMole - seriously, whats going on with that seizure-like wonky harvesting with that knife??
Not a positive change there. Your previous animation was far, far better. The sawnoff/short barrel shotgun is a heap of ♥♥♥♥ too.
I really think you should be getting exp from the trap/spike kills. It's a rip off wasting ammo on zombies like that businessman who took three of your bullets before being killed on the spikes you laid - and from what I saw you got nothing for it but charged those 3 bullets and a spike trap.
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Eliphas the Inheritor
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Since when zombies are able to avoid traps? Instead of my getting my traps to be useful, zombies are attacking the weakest link in the base, which may be the door for example. So I got zombies coming from north, south, east and west, and instead of them hammering the walls down, they are ALL just running to destroy the door, then move to the next weakest link of the base and avoid the traps altogether. That's what I mean by smart.
Traps are worthless and a piece of garbage. Not even worth the time and effort if you got good armor, weapons and solid walls. What's the point in making traps that can be avoided? Look at the Walking Dead, they go into spikes without even trying to avoid them or know that those spikes are a danger. And since when a random zombie can come from distance and determine where's the weakest link of the base, did they make a plan before attacking? No. That's my problem with your zombies. I said that I still enjoy the game, but normal zombies are too smart for a "zombie", so no fun horde nights for a while, at least until you add some options to make regular or all zombies dumb. The reason I write so much is because people read just half of everything I said, take a small phrase out of context and hammer me down with it, so yeah, I need to explain things like I explain something to a child. In short, if I want a challenge, then make a unique zombie like the cop or behemoth or whatever, but leave normal walkers like the nurse dumb. Hope I made myself clear. I already admitted I was wrong when it came to zombie lore, but I still want an option to make zombies dumb.
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Zombie_Jam
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I'm completely with you again. In fact, I have a confession to make.
In light of zombies behaving the way they do, since blade traps were released - I honestly and sincerely haven't ever crafted any.
I can second that zombies coming from the same direction at least all take the safe route instead of clambering over your spike traps unless theres no wag to you and the walls have to come down.
This is a legitimate frustration that does indeed call into question the point of traps. MadMole does have a tendency to take things to the extreme sometimes too - people don't always take criticism well.
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Eliphas the Inheritor
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Yeah, if I and others could see the problem, I don't understand how Madmole couldn't see it, or he didn't want to see it because he likes the way this game is going. Okay, you call your game a tower defense game, then please, make traps actually be useful and not to be avoided! With traps that can be avoided, they are worthless so no horde nights until TFP add zombie intelligence options for zombies...I guess this is it for vanilla 7dtd until then...or at the very least no horde nights.
Adilaris
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I'm not sure what you're on about. After a little trail and error I found simply spacing defenses as spike,spike,barb going outward repeating has been very effective for night 7s. Im sure that'll need an adjustment once I get demolishers, but otherwise the zombies aren't that hard to deal with with just a little more efficient layout. They're still pretty dumb overall, all things considered, and can be leaded easily if you basebuild with that in mind.
Eliphas the Inheritor
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You may be okay with that, fine, I'm not and others like me or not. They aren't that dumb. How in the world do zombies know that my door is the weakest link? How? Are they able to make complicated calculations and make a plan to attack my base? Do they have a strategist that I haven't heard of? Are they controlled by a super intelligent hive mind like the tyranids from the Warhammer 40k? No.
Even when I go on a multiplayer server and want to destroy a guy's base, I have to go around and look for weak spots and figure where to attack and it takes a while. Zombies do that waaaaay to easily. This isn't a chess game, like "OH, zombies know the weakest link in my base is the door, so let's place a blade trap there". How about leading the normal dumb walkers to a place where I got my blade traps so they can be slaughtered while I make a plan to deal with the unique zeds like the cops? What's next, TFP making zombies dig under your base when you surround your base 360 degrees with spikes and traps? Madmole said that we may see a difference in A18, so I'll wait and see..and if I still don't like it, then zombie intelligence options FTW. Actually, I do want those zombie intelligence options that Madmole mentioned. The greatest thing about this game is that I can customize my own apocalypse, like in Project Zomboid.
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Adam the Waster
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I think the doublebarrle shotgun should have the Long barrel and instead of aiming it fires Both Trigger
and Personally i like the new animations but the knife could uses some work though
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