PC Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!

[Prisma501]

sorry gazz but you are wrong.
physician is auxillary adventurer is auxillary, workstations. need em, but easily found. auxillary. traps, love them, but still auxillary chems, see physician. vehicles, nice for carry and travel, but that is auxillary. this are all on the crafting and story type situations but dont do the same as...

do extra damage, hit easier, use your weapons better. survival stuff. Intel helps alot with all the side items. crafting, travel, healing is the one survival aspect so far. but on horde night. not as much. for clearing poi's, not as much. and you yourself said

"You have never seen what 3 turrets with mods and high perk level"

high level. so low to mid level doesnt sound as viavle. and that is what we are asking. Not can we be gods, not can we be op. But viable at low to mid level when dealing with hordes. because that is what kills most people.

now, I am watching madmole play through and see what he comes up with. and I havent played A18 yet. so we will see during experimental.

Advocating the devil: "not gods, not op", but auto horde killer for low level? Damaging them so much that killing them on low level is no effort?

Just wondering (not knowing what damage a /normal/ turret does as does no1) what the request actually is?

Cheers

 

[The Gronk]

but could anyone explain the Part is the Update that "+ When wounded, zombies will randomly speed up for a short time" im kind of confused on that like do they run or just speed up?

It's been described as more of a lurch than a run. Something to throw off your timing of their walk pattern and close the distance by a couple of steps.

On a side note. During the whole "conventional Ralston" thing I honestly thought we were getting climbing equipment or rappeling gear, perhaps even the fabled zipline. Right name, wrong mechanic.

 

[wolfbain5]

Advocating the devil: "not gods, not op", but auto horde killer for low level? Damaging them so much that killing them on low level is no effort?
Just wondering (not knowing what damage a /normal/ turret does as does no1) what the request actually is?

Cheers

who said with no problem or effort. who said easy? dont add words that arent there

 

[unholyjoe]

Pretty sure the video wasn't made by MM.

youtube publisher was indeed redchurch not mm

 

[Prisma501]

who said with no problem, dont add words that arent there

I just wondered what you want it to be then. And on what turrets you are basing that request. Its a genuine wonder. Not a snark.

Cheers

-edit- to be more clear: you make it sound that unlocking a turret without any high level perks are useless low/mid game. I wonder why and what should change.

 

[wolfbain5]

I just wondered what you want it to be then. And on what turrets you are basing that request. Its a genuine wonder. Not a snark.
Cheers

look at his turret tree. most of the stuff is mid level or higher when it comes to combat and survival. where as other stat trees have low level on up. The lower level stuff seems to be social and marketting. in a survival game while nice, does not actually help survive the greatest threat as the other "trees" do.

ints weapons are stun baton and turrets. I see some turret love by perking at high level perks. I saw nothing for the baton. that has me concerened when all other stats have perked both melee and range, and personal defense. speed, agility, def, toughness. int's medicine can be seen as doing something similar. but not until you get a chem station, so they get it mid to higher level.

the viability of a stat that kicks in at mid level? doesnt sound as balanced as stats trees that go right off the ground.

 

[RipClaw]

I guess as the Int guy you have to play smart. =P

But this must also be supported by the game.

For example if I build a base with traps as an intelligence player then I must be able to predict where the zombies will run. The traps can't come to the zombies, the zombies have to come to the traps.

I've seen this a lot all over A17 and before. Players "must" have perks because they are not vastly OP quickly enough.IMO it's completely possible to work with unperked weapons and tools. They are not nearly as bad as some players make them out to be.

If you've ever been chased by a horde of radioactive zombies, you'll be heartily grateful for the Run and Gun perk.

 

[Prisma501]

look at his turret tree. most of the stuff is mid level or higher when it comes to combat and survival. where as other stat trees have low level on up. The lower level stuff seems to be social and marketting. in a survival game while nice, does not actually help survive the greatest threat as the other "trees" do.
ints weapons are stun baton and turrets. I see some turret love by perking at high level perks. I saw nothing for the baton. that has me concerened when all other stats have perked both melee and range, and personal defense. speed, agility, def, toughness. int's medicine can be seen as doing something similar. but not until you get a chem station, so they get it mid to higher level.

the viability of a stat that kicks in at mid level? doesnt sound as balanced as stats trees that go right off the ground.

Aaah now i get what you mean. In theory that sounds like a legit concern. Exept that apart from the perks, mods can be found from day 1 and used low/mid game. Maybe rng is part of that balance. Dunno.

Cheers

 

[Trankitas]

You can always make another video.

I'll have to wait until Madmole makes a let's play series :tickled_pink:

 

[Zombie_Jam]

Advocating the devil: "not gods, not op", but auto horde killer for low level? Damaging them so much that killing them on low level is no effort?
Just wondering (not knowing what damage a /normal/ turret does as does no1) what the request actually is?

Cheers

You, sir, have just won the 'Fallacy of the Week Award,' for your most excellent use of the 'Appeal to Extremes.'

Congratulations to you (and that devil you invoked)

 

[Lonestarcanuck]

Now that we have spears we need a Ballista to fire them

 

[beHypE]

Well maybe, just maybe, we should wait to discuss "tree balancing" for when we have actually played A18. I mean you never needed any damage perks for normal zombies, and since your concerns are early/mid game... well, you can still use all the same weapons, you just don't get +x% damage from perks and what not. Hardly unplayable.

As a side note, there's 5 trees, that doesn't mean all of them need to be playable as pure classes and fare just as well as all of the other ones. Maybe Int will be a niche/filler tree and not a main tree, which, quite frankly, doesn't bother me given how A17 pushed you to spend most of your points into Int to unlock all the content.

 

[wolfbain5]

Well maybe, just maybe, we should wait to discuss "tree balancing" for when we have actually played A18. I mean you never needed any damage perks for normal zombies, and since your concerns are early/mid game... well, you can still use all the same weapons, you just don't get +x% damage from perks and what not. Hardly unplayable.
As a side note, there's 5 trees, that doesn't mean all of them need to be playable as pure classes and fare just as well as all of the other ones. Maybe Int will be a niche/filler tree and not a main tree, which, quite frankly, doesn't bother me given how A17 pushed you to spend most of your points into Int to unlock all the content.

again, adding words. never said unplayable. that is how trolling starts. changing or trying to imply what isnt there.

they are stating EACH is playable as a pure class. listen to his videos. and if one class cant fare as well as another but in different ways. then they arent balanced. balancing is part of what they are doing. and they are trying to move away from being pushed into the int tree. which is why weapons can be crafted under their primary stat. Int is mid game or better. I can play with that and probably will. if they do want Int as a viable stand alone tree as the others are better equipped to do, then they need to reevaluate it.

again, this is only based on the glimpses of what the tree is like based on his videos. you get exp boost for electrical kills. but only at level 3 of the perk. stuff like that. most are mid game or better. and we need some of that. but that doesnt make it a viable build on its own from the start as the others are.

now again. I dont mind Int being an auxillary tree. but if that is the case, then they just need to say so instead of the other way they are presenting it.

 

[Lonestarcanuck]

I am reserving any judgement of how perks work in A18 until I see it. I am intrigued by the books because they seem to offer a way to get the perks without spending the points. Assuming that is correct. I could see lucky looter and the looting goggles being important early on in the game.

 

[Locusta]

look at his turret tree. most of the stuff is mid level or higher when it comes to combat and survival. where as other stat trees have low level on up. The lower level stuff seems to be social and marketting. in a survival game while nice, does not actually help survive the greatest threat as the other "trees" do.
ints weapons are stun baton and turrets. I see some turret love by perking at high level perks. I saw nothing for the baton. that has me concerened when all other stats have perked both melee and range, and personal defense. speed, agility, def, toughness. int's medicine can be seen as doing something similar. but not until you get a chem station, so they get it mid to higher level.

the viability of a stat that kicks in at mid level? doesnt sound as balanced as stats trees that go right off the ground.

This. But this all revolves around IF they are balancing things in a way that each “class” can manage without perking into other classes. I mean, if that’s the goal, why is MM perking into other classes at all?

One of my main concerns with this whole thing is that MM’s fortitude build with the mining skills (I think that’s the right one) had trouble keeping up with how much ammunition was needed for hoard nights. So without the mining skills, where does that leave the other classes? I’m assuming all of MM’s play throughs have been mixed builds, which goes against the implications of single specialized classes imo.

Again, this is only a concern if they are promoting single class play as balanced.

Edit: another point - can turret ammunition be found in loot?

Edit: another point - do the three turrets stack or is that three inventory slots one would have to give up? Not to mention placement time.

Loc

 

[wolfbain5]

I am reserving any judgement of how perks work in A18 until I see it. I am intrigued by the books because they seem to offer a way to get the perks without spending the points. Assuming that is correct. I could see lucky looter and the looting goggles being important early on in the game.

yes, you get a minor version of it. and the schematics help get things in other trees for crafting without the perk. that is a good addition.

edit: dont remember if that is a 1 shot or not tho

 

[Aldranon]

Lol I don't think that was MM but either way no I was talking about the pool table and some other things lol. Did I miss somewhere in the 1000s of pages about these things being added? Now only if you could actually play

Hmm, did you just win Roland's secret code words? A playable pool table would be amazing!

 

[Gazz]

physician is auxillary adventurer is auxillary, workstations. need em, but easily found. auxillary. traps, love them, but still auxillary chems, see physician. vehicles, nice for carry and travel, but that is auxillary. this are all on the crafting and story type situations but dont do the same as...
do extra damage, hit easier, use your weapons better. survival stuff.

You don't want to pick Intellect.

It has a large array of bonuses but you are looking for straight up DPS or armor. That's fine. There are 4 other attributes.

 

[Adam the Waster]

https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?126260-New-Zombie-Types!-and-Special-zombies

If anyone wants to give love/opinion one My post i would appreciate it. and any feedback is Appreciated.

 

[madmole]

Only way that would make sense would be to pop heads with one shot, regardless of perks or damage the gun does. I miss Alpha 16 where I could have a wandering horde following me, line them up, and pop one head after the other. Now it takes several head shots with guns to kill zombies and well... They're zombies. In every movie or tv show, one shot to the head is a zombie kill and I want that back. It doesn't make sense other wise.

I don't think so, guns were trash back then and it took 5 pistol shots to kill a weak zed.