PC Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!
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Guppycur
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I found history boring af until I got into college and instead of repeating the same 200 years we were reading newspaper articles from back then, diaries, and getting a much better feel for the bias, and that woke me up to realizing the kinds of biasness we see in every day events.
madmole
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I can't understand that at all. I mean hey dude, all you do is upload a file and earn 500+ million just from one platform. Are you that lazy? I mean it is developed on a PC, it runs on potatoes, why not publish it on PC? Its not exclusive to any console AFAIK so it makes no sense. They put GTA on PC.But they do not release on PC, so its free game for the Master Race.
I would disagree. In elementary school kids can only memorize dates and events. If there is a real gain from History class, then it is learning and understanding WHY something happened. And you need to be a lot older to understand that (and you need a good teacher to make you understand)
madmole
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Exactly. With navmesh and static terrain, pathing costs would be nothing outdoors at least so that would make it easier to add followers. Its really about seeing the glass half empty or half full.Word, I would rather buy most of my resources from the traders anyway.
200 zombies sounds like it could open the game up for things like followers, npcs, large npc towns. Maybe a charisma skill line for companions
I will make a radio tower and bringing a trader npc into my base... then i drop a blueprint like the forest or whatever and build his base for him and he moves in after i finish.
Also, dropkicks.
MechanicalLens
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You only have to be level 80/85 (can't remember) to CRAFT the parts. If you find the parts, you can assemble the vehicle at a working workbench with no levels or perks required.
MechanicalLens
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Huh. *Shrugs* I assumed it was a feature because you could do the same back in A16 with a minibike; the book was only need to craft (and repair?) the parts, but you could find the parts out in the wild.
AtomicUs5000
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I hated history and I still consider it the worst subject. Many history professors are passionate about teaching history, though. It was refreshing to learn history from different perspectives and to understand the why and how things happened... not just the what and when. When school teachers just throw books at you and expect you memorize events and dates, it completely diminishes any value of learning it in the first place.
MechanicalLens
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What is your opinion on Skyrim's route? (As you level up lockpicking, you can lockpick more advanced keyholes with a lesser chance of the lockpick breaking.) If balancing is in order, do you think a simplified variant of this system would be an appropriate solution? Just curious.
Edit: For instance, as you level up lockpicking, you would be able to break into different tiers of safes. (Wall safes, then gun safes, and following that, hardened chests.)
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madmole
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Yes I meant high school. Even college is a waste of time and money if you don't finish it and get into the field you study for. A lot of people go and get a degree in some fantasy field like Forensic science then never make a dime with it.
I managed to become self employed by the time I was 25 by taking a 9 month trade school course for auto body repair, I worked in the field 5 years then started my own shop. I started new businesses and they all succeeded. Obviously I'm not normal, I worked 7 days a week and many long hours to make it happen.
The thing that really annoys me is cosmetology. My oldest daughter went to school to become one. I told her why would you go into debt to make minimum wage and crappy tips? She's stubborn like me, did it anyway and after quite a few years of minimum wage, long hours and crappy tips, she quit that and started her own business unrelated to cosmetology. I told her the exact outcome, (my ex wife did the same thing) and she still ignored my 100% foresight into her future. So again, history here was kind of useless, people want to learn for themselves not hear about other people's failures. I mean yeah history could have been useful here, but she refused to listen. I had 100% logic and proof, yet... people have to learn for themselves, but that is ok, its all part of the process.
Mechanimal
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I have also wondered about this aspect of the 7DTD voxel environment, why does every entity need to dominate and entire block, especially with little things that you mentioned, like putting small things on shelves and so on. I have also played with other building systems, more than just minecraft, which has a similar restriction. A lot of those are building within a pure static environment, so that's one thing, but very few that let you build that freely within a voxel world.
One I should mention, worth checking out even if only as a technical example, is Medieval Engineers, though I would call it far more of a Tech Demo than an actual game. There is no game, and it's weird, and mostly abandoned now, but that's Keen for you, similar problems with their other project, Space Engineers, both are super promising and hold tons of potential that is never reached. Their weird, you guys operate very differently, far more focused on game play experience.
Anyway what makes Medieval Engineers so interesting is it's voxel engine, and it has SI too, unlike many others. However it can be a pain in the #%! when your castle crumbles because a single foundation block cracks under the load, so the way in calculates SI is quite different than 7dtd. It also has wall, floor, etc system that is very similar to engines like Ark, not set in 3' cubes, but still obviously using a grid, but those chunks are more like 8' cubes. But what does make it sweet is how well it lets you place smaller blocks, and even disengage from any kind of hard set world grid. The walls and such snap together, if you want them to, but very little else does, and it allows for some really really neat construction. You can even work with beams and planks, etc. When you place base stations they do not snap to anything, one has to totally freeball their placement. And I love their shelves, they work like storage when opened, but the things you place in them actually appear on the shelf. They also have neat crates that display what is inside them on the outside, and how much of that item is in it too, only catch is it only works when is just one item type. But I do love standing back and seeing all of my inventory at one glance without any menus or additional signs needing attached and filled out manually.
My point is I think it can be done, not sure what the major differences are between the 7DTD engine and that one, but it is the only example I have found with that range of flexibility in a voxel engine. Also the world is an actual globe, it is super neat how that works, it has no edges, at all. You can move infinitely on a finite plain(sphere), basically. But it has no POIs to speak of, and very little, and quite abysmal, AI. It is just a sandbox, but as a voxel enthusiast I highly recommend at least playing with it to see what is possible in this type of engine. Plus I highly doubt they will ever finish it, someone needs to pick up that torch and bring that level of flexibility into a voxel engine, but within an actual kickass fun game, which is something TFP has certainly excels at.
MechanicalLens
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I have never read a more accurate sentence in my life. XD All you forgot was the millennial's twisted and quite awkward smile.
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So true, I have no degree, an Art School dropout that just worked my way into certain fields by, well, working. My grade was getting paid and recommended to others, or not. I don't even apply for jobs, they come to me, from people at CMU, MIT, DARPA, NASA, and many others, like museums and various tech companies. I am hired by experts all the time, my real world experience is the shiny thing they care about, and it is much louder and meaningful than a degree. I've even worked in forensics, albeit only 3 times. I built scale models of homicide scenes, and ended up solving them in the process, even though I wasn't really hired to do that part, was more just a side effect of measuring everything in such detail. But again I have do degree in forensics, at all, I just good at making stuff.
I'm guessing your daughter made those decisions between the ages of 18 and 25... the final years of frontal lobe development. The part of the brain that controls that kind of decision making, it is deliberately loose and curious at that age. It craves direct experience above all other things, but doesn't actually start guiding choices until it ripens, around the age of 25... which is likely why she did not heed your warnings, but now she gets it. It is still a good idea to offer such advice and guidance, it does go in there, and matters, but our biologically forces us, in a way, to find out for ourselves, despite the advice we receive. I think college corrupts that final stage in ways by keeping people out of their fields and stuck in a room with books and lectures when they should be out doing things directly, especially in those final years before the frontal lobe kicks in.
MechanicalLens
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One final issue I personally find with the current education system (namely high school) is the factory-based learning system. Strict routines, large class sizes, etc. While there are some aspects I can appreciate and understand - students having to raise their hand to request their permission to speak, for instance - but our world is evolving to where innovation has much greater value than in at least decades past. No, I am not a believer of every student having their own teaching assistant so they can aspire to chase their dreams and succeed (**I'll get to that in a minute), but some improvements can certainly be made to the system.
(In order for this system to work however, the school system would require an exorbitant amount of funding. An obscene amount of infrastructure would need to be risen, the amount of staff, both teaching students and those who educate other faculty members, would need to be increased exponentially, etc. None of these no country can afford, or even close to. Thus, this is but a pipe dream.)
(**What people also have to be taught from day one is they cannot look towards their "favorite hero" and proclaim that they will succeed. Kids these days are taught that nothing can stop them from chasing and catching their dreams (this all began with the "No Child Left Behind" movement, and with the introduction of participation trophies), but what they have to realize is that "the greats" are incredibly few and far between. Young people need to be taught to have a plan b or c, but they are not for the most part. It's very unfortunate.) This is not to mention that students need to cease being taught that they are somehow special, unique, a gift. Undoubtedly every human is, but in my opinion, it has come too far.
(In order for this system to work however, the school system would require an exorbitant amount of funding. An obscene amount of infrastructure would need to be risen, the amount of staff, both teaching students and those who educate other faculty members, would need to be increased exponentially, etc. None of these no country can afford, or even close to. Thus, this is but a pipe dream.)
(**What people also have to be taught from day one is they cannot look towards their "favorite hero" and proclaim that they will succeed. Kids these days are taught that nothing can stop them from chasing and catching their dreams (this all began with the "No Child Left Behind" movement, and with the introduction of participation trophies), but what they have to realize is that "the greats" are incredibly few and far between. Young people need to be taught to have a plan b or c, but they are not for the most part. It's very unfortunate.) This is not to mention that students need to cease being taught that they are somehow special, unique, a gift. Undoubtedly every human is, but in my opinion, it has come too far.
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