PC Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!

[Pico]

Wow, I have a treat for you guys.... I recorded day 77 and it was super intense!
Here you go:

Thanks for that. It looked like a lot of fun.

Crazy as it sounds, but ammo / brass scarcity has always led me to play with arrows and clubs. I've never used either of those automatic weapons, but I doubt that horde could have been beaten with anything less than automatics.

It was interesting to see your play style changed as the ammo supply shank... you went from belly shots on automatic to head shots on semi auto/burst. Those weapons are awesome for cutting through the Zeds with only 2-3 shots, even radiated wights.

2 questions... why do you have that perilous drop for your own character over the spinning blade trap (I could seem myself falling through it), and was your ammo supply aquired through legit play, or through the console?

 

[MechanicalLens]

I also just noticed in the video that cops can now puke through bars. Interesting, interesting... *Re-planning my base design for A18 slightly*

 

[MechanicalLens]

Wow, I have a treat for you guys.... I recorded day 77 and it was super intense! Sorry no behemoth spawned, but I promise you some crazy action. I will need to farm 2k rounds for the next horde and have another m60 on my belt Uploading now.
Here you go:

That was an absolutely epic showdown! My heart was racing when the zombies busted through those iron bars! I was astonished they didn't bust through the vault door in a matter of a few tens of seconds like they would do in A17. If some tweaking has been done (I do know you've nerfed individual zombie block damage), that's awesome!

I was convinced that "conventional horde bases" were a thing of the past. Either you had a cheesy pathway that exploited their AI and ensured they did no damage to your base, or it was a losing fight. Despite the fact that the zombies breached your base, this video has proven me otherwise.

I also noticed that the zombies semi-followed you around, instead of mindlessly attacking one or two blocks of your base. While they were still focusing on specific weakened points of the structure, there definitely seemed to be some minor differences in AI. (Either that, or I'm imagining things / I'm mistaken.)

 

[ZombieSurvivor]

Wow, I have a treat for you guys.... I recorded day 77 and it was super intense! Sorry no behemoth spawned, but I promise you some crazy action. I will need to farm 2k rounds for the next horde and have another m60 on my belt Uploading now.
Here you go:

That video sucked lol. Sorry I had to, everyone is like hey thank you thats such a great video lmao. It honestly sucked ass but I'm assuming its just to show off A18 during horde night so it did its job I guess. Personally I never watch people play video games, besides Neebs, so maybe I just cannot see the joy in watching a video of someone playing a game...either way. Vid sucked and thought I'll be the one to say it, gotta keep you grounded brotha should all this praise go to your head. (laughing) Joking

Or am I.......

Edit: Thanks for taking time out you night and recording that for those who liked it.

*shovels more coal in the hypetrain* this baby is ready to go......my arms are hurting from having to shovel in all this coal *tears*

 

[MechanicalLens]

That video sucked lol. Sorry I had to, everyone is like hey thank you thats such a great video lmao. It honestly sucked ass but I'm assuming its just to show off A18 during horde night so it did its job I guess. Personally I never watch people play video games, besides Neebs, so maybe I just cannot see the joy in watching a video of someone playing a game...either way. Vid sucked and thought I'll be the one to say it, gotta keep you grounded brotha should all this praise go to your head. (laughing) Joking
Or am I.......

Edit: Thanks for taking time out you night and recording that for those who liked it.

The only thing that "sucked" about it was the amount of ammo used. I hope madmole has several good mines located! Lol

 

[ZombieSurvivor]

The only thing that "sucked" about it was the amount of ammo used. I hope madmole has several good mines located! Lol

I'll be honest i watched the first 3 minutes then just jumped around in the vid for another 2 before closing it.

I do like the fact he builds a lot like me. Not seen to many players in game that actually use bars as a platform...maybe people do now i dunno lol.

I do not use ammo for guns all that much but I never had issues with ammo. not sure why everyone does..

 

[toores]

Wow, I have a treat for you guys.... I recorded day 77 and it was super intense! Sorry no behemoth spawned, but I promise you some crazy action. I will need to farm 2k rounds for the next horde and have another m60 on my belt Uploading now.
Here you go:

That's why you need a FOV slider - if you aren't able to see a spider Z beating at your feet it's kind of messed up...

 

[MechanicalLens]

I'll be honest i watched the first 3 minutes then just jumped around in the vid for another 2 before closing it.I do like the fact he builds a lot like me. Not seen to many players in game that actually use bars as a platform...maybe people do now i dunno lol.

I do not use ammo for guns all that much but I never had issues with ammo. not sure why everyone does..

People have different playstyles, so some use more ammo than others.

I'm honestly relieved that pathing bases/mazes/etc. that exploit their AI are not the end-all-be-all. ^^

 

[RipClaw]

The only thing that "sucked" about it was the amount of ammo used. I hope madmole has several good mines located! Lol

I'm not excited about the video either. For me it's like I don't want to fight a horde. I want to fight a horde with a strategy, not just firepower.

 

[ZombieSurvivor]

People have different playstyles, so some use more ammo than others.
I'm honestly relieved that pathing bases/mazes/etc. that exploit their AI are not the end-all-be-all. ^^

So true, thats exatly why i do not understand lol. I do stealth and almost no guns so I always have enough ammo. I have friends that prefer gun and run style and they always have enough ammo. I have not been able to figure out why some players just female dog and complain about there not being enough ammo.

I lean towards lazy players that just want everything handed to them instead of putting in the work to make that ammo. Who knows though, I could care less (laughing). Hopefully this "lack of ammo", which I doubt exists, is fixed in A18.

 

[MechanicalLens]

So true, thats exatly why i do not understand lol. I do stealth and almost no guns so I always have enough ammo. I have friends that prefer gun and run style and they always have enough ammo. I have not been able to figure out why some players just female dog and complain about there not being enough ammo.
I lean towards lazy players that just want everything handed to them instead of putting in the work to make that ammo. Who knows though, I could care less (laughing). Hopefully this "lack of ammo", which I doubt exists, is fixed in A18.

Lack of ammo wasn't the problem, the lack of brass was.

I wouldn't go that far for all of them. Some players just use a boat load of ammo, and their perception is that ammo is somewhat scarce in the world. As the saying goes, perception is reality. (Or to be more accurate, an individual's perception is how they think reality works.)

 

[ZombieSurvivor]

Oh I know all about the bitching and complaining by players regarding brass. I have always been outspoken about brass and how to get it. Again this falls on players not knowing every single way to get brass. I have never once had an issue with brass and after teaching my friends where to collect brass, they never ever once had another issue with lack of brass. This is an opinion I strongly stand by and not really excited that TFP adjusted brass for A18 for all those players that want the game watered down.

 

[MechanicalLens]

Oh I know all about the bitching and complaining by players regarding brass. I have always been outspoken about brass and how to get it. Again this falls on players not knowing every single way to get brass. I have never once had an issue with brass and after teaching my friends where to collect brass, they never ever once had another issue with lack of brass. This is an opinion I strongly stand by and not really excited that TFP adjusted brass for A18 for all those players. I'm no dev though so I'm sure they made that decision bases upon ♥♥♥♥ we cannot see.

Whatever dude. Hey, at least many of the methods we can use to get more brass, is locked behind books, which in turn are locked behind RNG. Don't like it, don't read the books.

I personally like variety. While stealth will always be the most efficient route to go, I'd rather not look at my gun's chamber and carefully decide if I should fire one bullet or a dozen, or leave the gun back at home. Sure, you may not have a problem with brass - I rarely did - but for larger servers outside of SP, it must have been an issue.

 

[ZombieSurvivor]

Whatever dude. Hey, at least many of the methods we can use to get more brass, is locked behind books, which in turn are locked behind RNG. Don't like it, don't read the books.

Nice I did not know this. Thank god TFP has taken players like me in to consideration. This is good news.

 

[MechanicalLens]

Nice I did not know this. Thank god TFP has taken players like me in to consideration. This is good news.

BUT you will get brass radiators from air conditioners. But you'll probably not need to wrench them anyway. I never have, never will need to (for reasons outside of brass).

 

[ZombieSurvivor]

Yeah, Hell at least now brass will be a lot more abundant which hopefully will get players to stop crying about "lack of brass".

Would be weird if a wrench is not needed lol.

 

[archergod]

Please tell me that the stack size of ammo has not been reduced to 100 bullets per slot. There goes my inventory space.

actually 100 slot is good, as they have now compact packaging that can stack (4+ in video) means 400+ bullet, if that compact pack stack 10 it means 1000 of bullet in one space, which is increase.. it is like Gas Can and Gas Barrel thing now.

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The only thing that "sucked" about it was the amount of ammo used. I hope madmole has several good mines located! Lol

He was using lot of ammo as he is doing blind shooting at time. If you make a zig saw base like in A17, your amount of bullet will reduce. It was his play style, I guess it is great to have that game style, I never try it. but will surely do it when I get chance.

 

[MechanicalLens]

Yeah, Hell at least now brass will be a lot more abundant which hopefully will get players to stop crying about "lack of brass". Would be weird if a wrench is not needed lol.

I'm personally fine when it comes to brass. Yes, I can get in a pinch if I don't have enough ammo for the approaching horde night, and with most faucets being made of iron now, and the majority of lights not giving brass now (few did before anyway), the addition of one more source of brass (from air conditioners) is a welcome addition imo. Finding more brass in loot (via a book) or getting brass doorknobs from doors (via a book) are slightly "excessive" imo, but again, they're locked behind RNG. While I personally would not like zinc and copper to be added to the game to make brass with (don't worry, that will never happen lol), a couple more sources of brass are a welcome feature in my eyes, even if they are not guaranteed.

Besides, different playstyles exist. Some people like going gung-ho, and for them, the most brass, the better. While using your gun like madmole did isn't recommended, it shouldn't be locked out imo. It should be optional.

 

[ZombieSurvivor]

It was his play style, I guess it is great to have that game style, I never try it. but will surely do it when I get chance.

I'll be changing up my stealth playstyle to run and gun now that we will have that beautiful M60

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I'm personally fine when it comes to brass. Yes, I can get in a pinch if I don't have enough ammo for the approaching horde night, and with most faucets being made of iron now, and the majority of lights not giving brass now (few did before anyway), the addition of one more source of brass (from air conditioners) is a welcome addition imo. Finding more brass in loot (via a book) or getting brass doorknobs from doors (via a book) are slightly "excessive" imo, but again, they're locked behind RNG. While I personally would not like zinc and copper to be added to the game to make brass with (don't worry, that will never happen lol), a couple more sources of brass are a welcome feature in my eyes, even if they are not guaranteed.
Besides, different playstyles exist. Some people like going gung-ho, and for them, the most brass, the better. While using your gun like madmole did isn't recommended, it shouldn't be locked out imo. It should be optional.

Very interesting I did not know that most faucets/lights where nerfed for brass in A17. That would indeed make brass rare. shiit, alright I might just have to change my opinion regarding brass then.

 

[MechanicalLens]

I'll be changing up my stealth playstyle to run and gun now that we will have that beautiful M60
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Very interesting I did not know that most faucets/lights where nerfed for brass in A17. That would indeed make brass rare. shiit, alright I might just have to change my opinion regarding brass then.

Yeah, for example, in the entirety of Dishong Tower, only 2 brass faucets exist; the rest are iron. In addition, only one type of light (maybe 2) give you brass, but they only exist in a few POI's, and even then, they only give you 10-15 brass. Hence the clamoring for new sources of brass. (Besides, brass doorknobs coming from doors did exist in previous alphas, but this feature was removed prior to A15.)

I make a similar stance with pathway designs. Yes, they are more intuitive, interesting, and complicated than any tower, wall, or castle design ever will be, but they are also the easiest, the cheesiest, and most exploitative designs out there. There's nothing wrong with them, but I disagree with those who state that they should be the end-all-be-all. Variety. If you want to build a castle, go for it. Yes, you'll have to work for it, you may make mistakes, you may have to deal with a breach, but that breeds experimentation, innovation, and another source of fun / another challenge.