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Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!

  • A18 Stable is Out!

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If TFP don't give us a reward that is the equivalent/greater amount of ammo per POI, then they would have to compensate with an even greater reward... (Legendary weapons having a higher chance to drop in them, due to special crates, in A19, perhaps.)
I've run some tests and, on average, clearing out tier 2/3 quests will give you more ammo, loot, XP, and if they're quests, dukes per hour than doing one tier 5 dungeon. Even if TFP allowed us to acquire a similar amount of ammo at the end to what we put in, or even an increased percentage, it would still be inefficient. Doable, but inefficient. Just my opinion, but we need a more enticing, maybe even an exclusive reason to raid tier 5 dungeons.
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I haven't done enough T5's yet to say for sure, but the trader rewards are pretty amazing most of the time. The loot at the POI is more than I can carry out in one trip. I don't know what is enough, but it seems good to me. I'm playing A18 though. I don't recall how bad 17 was I never got past tier 3's before I quit playing.

I don't think you need to have a net profit in ammo though, that is just stupid. You roll the dice and use your ammo and hope. That is the game. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. You always gain XP though and get the trader reward so I don't view it as all that bad no matter what.

 
If i use 700 rounds and come out with 200 that's negative rounds. Main thing I need over all else is ammo. So doing a t5 tower is a 100% waste of time for me
Except for the fun factor. And they are fun.
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You might as well sit in your mine all day then if stockpiling ammo is your goal. I want better gear (weapons, books, armor, mods, tools, more medicine) so I do the T5's.

 
I completely agree with you. In fact, this is what I have been saying for the most part.

But I just want to make this clear, I would not want end-game loot (such as Legendary Weapons) that is exclusive within these t5 dungeons, otherwise at some point in the game, these POI's are all that players would be clearing. It should just be a much higher percentage change that, on average, you'd walk out with a Legendary Weapon, or even two.

 
TFP: would it ever be possible to have multiple interiors for one POI that the game can roll for when you initiate a quest there?
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Its already random. All loot boxes are randomly open or closed versions.

 
I have something i wouldn't mind being put back into the game, getting glass from breaking the paintings in homes, seems weird to break them and not even get 1 broken glass lol

 
No (in fact, I just logged off of playing A17 twenty minutes ago), I was just making a general response that I prefer singleplayer over multiplayer. Yes, days don't matter anymore, I just enjoy a natural sense of progression instead of staying off for a few days and then being handed better gear (steel tools, etc.) since I would still be on iron. No, I don't have to accept such requests, I just like having a little bit of control on my worlds. :p But maybe I'll try multiplayer again sometime, who knows?

 
The loot was pretty good for t5 POI's (most of the time; sometimes I just walked out with brown or orange quality gear, even with a high gamestage and 5/5 Lucky Looter; you win some, you lose some), and the trader rewards were generally worth it, on most occasions. Just my opinion, but there should be an extra incentive for players to scale up the t5 dungeons, something even greater than the possible guaranteed 2000+ dukes at the trader, possibly a great/good//alright item at the trader. A higher chance of getting Legendary weapons (**in A19) or other rare/unique loot (100+ forged steel, a solar cell/solar bank, etc.) at these "ultimate dungeons" would certainly encourage players to loot them other than for the "fun factor". While I can agree - and I'm very confident everyone can - that the T5 dungeons are designed fantastically, I just feel that as well as being foreboding, they should be tempting as well, and the latter is lacking just a little. But hey, I'm not a developer, what do I know?

I've done multiple runs and I've determined that, on average, clearing a few POI's in the same time it would take to clear one t5 dungeon does net you a bit more loot, more dukes at the trader (if they're quests), and with a lesser chance of dying while using less ammo. Basically, efficiency wise, going for the lower tier POI's can be faster and even a little more rewarding than the t5 dungeons, and I personally believe that should be put into consideration for future tweaking. (: Again, this is just my opinion, and I don't consider any opinion to be factually correct. Take from this whatever you please.

While you shouldn't always get a massive win, or close to, from looting, just to repeat what I've said before, the incentive, loot wise, is a little lacking for players to scale these largest dungeons, compared to what they could be, in my opinion.

EDIT: Just one other, small point I wanted to add to this already lengthy post... If Legendary Weapons are added in A19, I just personally think it would be logical that, since these t5 dungeons are the greatest challenge (to loot) in 7d2D, they should have a higher chance of dropping Legendary Weapons. (Again, those suggested specialized loot chests I mentioned. ^^) You know, with great risk comes the [increased] chance of great reward? (Even by a few %) At least, that's just my take on it. :p

 
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If you are dying that much you need to turn down the difficulty. Its not hard to stay alive, 95% of deaths only occurs when you don't properly prepare.
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+1

so sick of hearing people say "death penalty is stupid and ruins the game" its survival not; who can die the most on the server. Jesus!

 
so do people not use Melle weapons when doing T5 quests? I don't understand how folks come out with so much negative ammo. I went Melle heavy and go in like a freaken tank with pain tolerance and healing factor and heavy armor. maybe using different gun mods and different weapons will make it easier and save on ammo when doing these quests if some folks insist on the Rambo approach.

 
It should be obvious, we don't want players eating glass to get out of infection, dysentery, broken legs, etc. You are getting rewarded now by staying alive, you aren't losing XP. Feels great already. Your method is just reward and more reward. People would have their glass and eat it too with that design.
Our system takes away nothing. You die at level 42 you are always going to be level 42. It ensures people will avoid death no matter what, which they should, unless they think its a fair trade to get rid of infection to lose some XP. SOme will still eat glass, and we're fine with that now. Before no matter how you sliced it, people would suicide to get out of things because it was safe and convenient and had not much drawback. Now I think people will think twice and thank us for the game play it took to heal their leg or get rid of infection. Those "needs" produce great stories. Being stuck at a certain level might feel good to overcome.

If I had it my way I'd take away a full level, -5 to all attributes, gaining back 1 per day, respawn starving with 1 health and food and water how they were when you died. But thats my own hardcore version I'd like and realize that would be a nice mod and horrible for a retail release.
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I know its a lot to ask... but you seem to misunderstand what I mean... so could you watch those 12 minutes? Or at least parts of it? Because this is something I often find lacking in 7d2d.

Reward vs punishment.

but I would encourage you to watch the whole thing)
 
I know its a lot to ask... but you seem to misunderstand what I mean... so could you watch those 12 minutes? Or at least parts of it? Because this is something I often find lacking in 7d2d. Reward vs punishment.

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Punishment is better, it will put hair on ypur chest.

 
I believe so.
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Would you consider bringing back the 50% health and stamina penalty as well? For health it could just be the temporary damage so that all you need to do is spend food to get both stamina and health back to full.

With no spoilage we need food sinks such as this. Plus Vik would be happy because full health and stamina (even up to approx 150%) by surviving well is a reward and then that would be taken away down to 50%.

We had this in the game for years and it’s been gone the last couple alphas but I feel it was also a good part of being “anti-rewarded” upon death. Bring it back and you’ll cover the nostalgics and the participation trophy folks at the same time. :)

 
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