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Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!

  • A18 Stable is Out!

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No they all ran to steam and wrote negative reviews. They are trying to make us hostage to old legacy designs. Talk about ungrateful, they got 5000 hours of fun out of 24 dollars or less then have the gall to give us a bad review? I'd say best money I ever spent if I got that much fun out of it. I might not like the direction Bethesda is headed lately but I wouldn't go ♥♥♥♥ on Skyrim with a negative review after I got so much fun out of it.
Yeah because things can change man. Opinions change. Games change. Would you still not give skyrim a negative review if they released a patch tomorrow replacing all Khajit with pink unicorns?

Just because you liked it in the past doesn't mean you have to like it now.

Hmm.. great idea for a mod btw.

 
I didn't drink the "in Pimps we trust" kool-aid but why can't everyone just let the TFP finish this game how they intended (with whatever feedback they want to take into consideration) and then just add mods if there is some aspect of the game you do not like or wish had gone in a different direction?
Why does everything have to be "add/put back in this feature or I will whine and cry and never play again"?
Exactly! I've only played from the tail end of A16.4 onward and personally I like the majority of the changes that were made. Yes there are some things I don't like, but they are getting addressed. Not everyone will agree with the changes TFP has made but in the end it's their game and their vision. Yes those of you playing since before A17 can be upset because some feature you liked is gone so comment on it, maybe even spark a discussion about it, but once answered let it go.

 
I'll let Jax do the talking. Such a message leaves a bad taste in my mouth to be honest.
As a game developer I'm sure you know it's not just about actual sales (even though that's the primary objective of course), but on the retention rate resulting from those sales. You state that a17 sold 2-3 times as much as compared with a16. Let's not forget that a17 took 1.5 years, so one would assume that the player numbers after the first-release peak would be a lot higher than pre-a17. They aren't. Not many more people are playing the game post-a17 as compared with pre-a17. That tells a lot.

Plus the reviews are still negative. Half a year after a17 was released there's still not more than 60% positive ratings.

Sure, ratings are subjective, but it tells a lot.

And a17.3 still has to come out, half a year after a17e got released. You stated that a18 will have a much shorter release cycle than that of a17. It might be good to come out with a public statement on the forum/official website now, in case there's gonna be delays. That will prevent a lot of flak.

Nothing personal, of course!

Peace out.
No you didn't read a thing I wrote, Recent reviews are a SEA of blue and about the ONLY negatives are from 300+ hour players talking about the past. Like 90% or more of new customers are giving it a great review. When you say "The Reviews" you are being completely subjected to what you are looking to see. If you click into it, you will see the reviews are fantastic in the context of A16. Some sharp stick people are still disgruntled. Don't buy an alpha game if you are going to get married to placeholder systems.

Sales are the best metric. Good games sell well, bad ones don't. I don't care what the squeaky wheels say and neither should anyone. If a game sells millions of copies, there is something good there, period. Look at all the negative Ark reviews. That game is brown we're still blue at least (the best possible color of steam games). Ark is a good game but everyone ♥♥♥♥s on them. I had a friend with 2k hours who wrote a crappy review because they changed the fliers. A simple mod fixed it but he left his stain on their hard work that changed his life and gave him 2k hours of fun. That is just wrong, but whatever, people are entitled fickle ♥♥♥♥s these days who judge on one recent flaw vs 5000 good times they had.

My point is Ark is a good game, but people get mad at them and write a negative review. I don't agree with that. Like I stay at a 5 star hotel and the view is great, the service is fantastic. They confused me for my brother and charged me for his room, but I didn't ♥♥♥♥ on them, they fixed it and its fine, great place to stay.

A friend of mine doesn't like Rust. He has 4000 hours in it lol. They ruined it with the helicopters. Some people don't adapt to change.

I'll admit I'm very opposed to negativity. It pisses me off and I delete any negative people in my life. I thrive to prove them wrong though, so I use it as fuel for motivation. So I might react strongly when it comes to criticism, but at the end of the day we always do what we think is best for the game.

Dev cycles start when the other alpha is finished. I don't think you can complain about A18 when your getting patches for 17. Thats just me though, I don't like to complain, I like to fix things, that actually gets results.

 
Yeah because things can change man. Opinions change. Games change. Would you still not give skyrim a negative review if they released a patch tomorrow replacing all Khajit with pink unicorns?
Just because you liked it in the past doesn't mean you have to like it now.

Hmm.. great idea for a mod btw.
No because I turn off their stupid updates and play an older version, and let the mod community give me the updates I WANT. I'm perfectly happy with that. They gave us a framework that allows a lot of great mods, so well done there. What they have done post DLC, I'm not happy about, but as I said, I turn off updates and ignore it. The legendary version before they did the paid for mod crap is good to go, I don't need any paid for mods they are trash rehashes of better free mods.

Again, I'm not hating on them for doing stupid crap now, but thankful for what they did in the past that modders can expand on. It works fine. I just hope they don't pull a fallout 76 to Elder Scrolls 6 but I guess we won't know for 2-3 more years will we? That is what makes me the most angry, is that they are waiting 10 years between sequels now. And they had it nailed down to a science of 3 year releases for a while. But they keep adding new franchises so the one I want the most is on the back burner. Fallout 76 was a bomb, Starfield might be fun, but again its blocking them from ES6, so its kind of BS. They didn't even work on Fallout 76 other studios did, so I have to wonder what have they been killing 4 years on now that still isn't done?

 
No because I turn off their stupid updates and play an older version, and let the mod community give me the updates I WANT. I'm perfectly happy with that. They gave us a framework that allows a lot of great mods, so well done there. What they have done post DLC, I'm not happy about, but as I said, I turn off updates and ignore it. The legendary version before they did the paid for mod crap is good to go, I don't need any paid for mods they are trash rehashes of better free mods.
Again, I'm not hating on them for doing stupid crap now, but thankful for what they did in the past that modders can expand on. It works fine. I just hope they don't pull a fallout 76 to Elder Scrolls 6 but I guess we won't know for 2-3 more years will we? That is what makes me the most angry, is that they are waiting 10 years between sequels now. And they had it nailed down to a science of 3 year releases for a while. But they keep adding new franchises so the one I want the most is on the back burner. Fallout 76 was a bomb, Starfield might be fun, but again its blocking them from ES6, so its kind of BS. They didn't even work on Fallout 76 other studios did, so I have to wonder what have they been killing 4 years on now that still isn't done?
You just need to arm wrestle Todd Howard, show him who's boss.

 
If a user changes his review to negative because of a change, that's valid.

The game "as it is now" is what should be reflected in reviews. If the "now" changes, so should the review. For good or ill. (Shrug)

I would just hope the reviews accurately represent the state of the game and not just anger.

 
They didn't even work on Fallout 76 other studios did, so I have to wonder what have they been killing 4 years on now that still isn't done?
Probably trying to bring Creation Engine into 2020

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What the hell am I reading? Not trying to be a madmole fluffer but the childish reaction to him stating facts is more insight into a games development than I have ever seen and I downloaded wads from BBS' for Doom.

Go back and listen to yourselves. So the development is slow. I get it, but the core game is mostly there. The goofy gripes about gameplay mechanics don't seem to be that rage inducing. If they have shown us anything the FunPimps will try something, and if it does not work out exactly at least they are open to changing. Not all the time, but more than any other developers I have seen. Are these mechanics really that horrible that you are willing to quit the game?

I get there is a mostly single player interest in this game, but after living forever I lost interest in that aspect. I truly don't understand how some of you repeatedly play the single player game more than once. HOWEVER, you don't see me having a tantrum asking TFP to drop their roadmap and focus on the things I feel are important.

There are some developers that truly deserve a tongue lashing, like BI, but not these guys.

 
I truly don't understand how some of you repeatedly play the single player game more than once.
Don't make fun of me.

Seriously though... what the heck does that have to do with what you are saying? You have good things to say here... why is that a thing?

Does not replaying single player make you less prone to having tantrums? That's a really strange association you've made there.

 
What the hell am I reading? Not trying to be a madmole fluffer but the childish reaction to him stating facts is more insight into a games development than I have ever seen and I downloaded wads from BBS' for Doom.
Go back and listen to yourselves. So the development is slow. I get it, but the core game is mostly there. The goofy gripes about gameplay mechanics don't seem to be that rage inducing. If they have shown us anything the FunPimps will try something, and if it does not work out exactly at least they are open to changing. Not all the time, but more than any other developers I have seen. Are these mechanics really that horrible that you are willing to quit the game?

I get there is a mostly single player interest in this game, but after living forever I lost interest in that aspect. I truly don't understand how some of you repeatedly play the single player game more than once. HOWEVER, you don't see me having a tantrum asking TFP to drop their roadmap and focus on the things I feel are important.

There are some developers that truly deserve a tongue lashing, like BI, but not these guys.
I Second that...Wholeheartedly.

been coming here for awhile for news and signed up just now to post my disdain for those who change a review from positive to negative--(not recommend) only because the developers added or removed some things they don't agree with.

And after hundreds of hours of enjoyment. Your child-like tantrums are a joke. You can say you are not enjoying the changes at the moment but if you were emotionally or intellectually honest you would not change it to a thumbs down but perhaps- edit your review and give a warning to someone who might like to try it. You Have NO RIGHT to try and force a developer into making a game the way you want it to be! period. End of story. suggestions have always been welcomed here from what I've seen, be glad you get that kind of input.

 
I get there is a mostly single player interest in this game, but after living forever I lost interest in that aspect. I truly don't understand how some of you repeatedly play the single player game more than once.
Mods. The overhaul mods make it practically a different game.

 
MM and Pimps,

Looking forward to the changes and features you guys are talking about. For me personally, perks (and their opposite - flaws) don't quite scratch my zombie N/B/C apocalypse itch the way other skill advancement mechanics do that shall not be named (but the initials are Larry Bites Doug). But that's OK! I've had fun with the perks and other changes in 17 (up through 17.2), I'm looking forward to 17.3 and 18. So long as I can advance, gain abilities, and immerse myself in semi-realistic zombie slaughtering fun, I'll enjoy it. Gotta say that knocking Z's off the roof of a building on horde night is a blast. That crunch when they hit the bottom never gets old! And neither does the dancing flames of a follow-up molotov! (Love that item, by the way.)

Question, and I apologize if it's already been covered in the 300+ pages of this thread: Any hints on new types of zombies, or zombie abilities in the near future? I recall mention of a breaker. But I was wondering if you guys are going to build in "mods for Z's" like there are mods for tools and weapons. Several game mods have helped scratch that variation in zombies itch. But I'm hoping for some extras in the base game. I've played this game a lot since A8, and end of last year/first half of this year I've taken a series of long breaks to stave off burnout. I'm starting to jones for my next fix of undead mayhem.

FWIW, started with A8, Steam says I've got 6K+ hours in, and I still come back to play with each new release. So, yeah, I'm a fan of the game. Re-lurking before the ravening hordes start munching on my meaty bits.

 
Pretty much this. I've spent this entire build focusing on making the perk system a better class system so you don't NEED int, don't need any ONE attribute. Less jack of all trades. I've also been here every day listening to everyone and taking the dislikes into consideration on all the new designs. No incentive to loot? Fine, here's over 100 new cool books you can collect with collector perk unlocks if you read the entire set. Forced to buy int? Nope, find schematics to learn recipes. Don't like schematic ingredients? Fine they are gone, you learn the schematic forever now like old builds.
The list goes on and on. But reason to loot is in every design now. Gun parts are making a small return in a new exciting way. I mean I don't care if you like me, but lets stop acting like I don't care about you old players, the entire design has you in mind.
you Mr Mole care:

1. for the game

2. for all players

yeah we all miss the crafting grid and the sticks...(not realy) but I realy like how 7 days is progressing and changing. Of course with new stuff it gets a little bit rough but as an old player i trust in the smooth out process... hey remember the minibike nemesis? how long did they do bad things? and now we can even fly ^^

 
Don't make fun of me.Seriously though... what the heck does that have to do with what you are saying? You have good things to say here... why is that a thing?

Does not replaying single player make you less prone to having tantrums? That's a really strange association you've made there.
no no...sorry. My explanation was piss poor and not a dig at single player game "players". Apologize if any took it that way. It is just not my interest in the game.

What I was trying to say is that the gripes about certain game mechanics are not things I personally care about. My selfish priorities are on multiplayer improvements but I know I am in the minority. Realizing that, I am self aware enough to not jump on TFPs case because I know they have always stated they have a certain vision for the game and single player is the focus. I would certainly never say, MadMole needs to make these multiplayer changes this certain way because...well because that is what I want and I bought the game on day one.

I may get what I want one day, I may get only part of it, or MadMole may say I just can't spend any more resources on that and move on. All of it I understand.

Is the XP, zombie farming issue with the game a legitimate issue? I have no doubt it is for a certain segment of the player base, but those players shouldn't push the developers on it so much because they don't necessarily make up the majority of players in the game either.

Again, nothing was meant as a slight. Certain groups of players all have issues with the game they feel should be fixed first. TFP get to decide the roadmap though, and you shouldn't pop off at them if your particular issue is not on the roadmap.

 
No they all ran to steam and wrote negative reviews. They are trying to make us hostage to old legacy designs. Talk about ungrateful, they got 5000 hours of fun out of 24 dollars or less then have the gall to give us a bad review?
I just checked. If you believe the Steam records, lots of the negative reviewers have had less than 1000 hours (often less than 200). Of course they all claim to have been playing since A10 or something, so who knows.

But keep in mind that many of us who have over 1K hours in-game, either are just not vocal enough to write reviews, or wrote positive reviews long before the last alpha dropped.

My point: don't believe that the negative reviews represent the 5K crowd.

 
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