PC Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!
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Noctoras
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I agree here. On average difficulty and gamestage, difficulty should be suitable for average joe as well. This forum makes it easyto go by super cracks, who by far are not representative of the player base.
And if you, as an average player, can only compete on the easiest settings, its disheartening
HerrKingsley
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So what's the plan with tinted colors on zombies you mentioned a while back.
Its added to body parts but not clothes if I remember correctly.
Are we going to see randomized hair and clothes colors soon?
I think that would give some nice flavour and diversity to the zombies.
If it's to resource demanding for vanilla please make it atleast modable.
SnowDog1942
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So they should just remove the easiest difficultys because people are too stupid and pridefull to use them anyway?I agree here. On average difficulty and gamestage, difficulty should be suitable for average joe as well. This forum makes it easyto go by super cracks, who by far are not representative of the player base.
And if you, as an average player, can only compete on the easiest settings, its disheartening
sinkler
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This QoL feature was probably requested a million times before, but can we please have a "Sort by TYPE" option?
inventory management of backpack and storage will be so much easier if you could group melee/guns/ammo/arrows/tools/materials/armor/vehicles/food/etc items together, and u already implemented a sort button, but the current sort feature is lacking, it seems to be high lvl sort by "type" and then second sort alphabetic, but ammo and guns and arrows are of the same type for example so they are mixed together by name, also tools and melee weapons etc...
a clear UI option to toggle the sort button function by proper "value/type/name" would be so much easier to use and if its not that hard to implement i would really love to see it added.
inventory management of backpack and storage will be so much easier if you could group melee/guns/ammo/arrows/tools/materials/armor/vehicles/food/etc items together, and u already implemented a sort button, but the current sort feature is lacking, it seems to be high lvl sort by "type" and then second sort alphabetic, but ammo and guns and arrows are of the same type for example so they are mixed together by name, also tools and melee weapons etc...
a clear UI option to toggle the sort button function by proper "value/type/name" would be so much easier to use and if its not that hard to implement i would really love to see it added.
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Quantum Blue
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I agree here. On average difficulty and gamestage, difficulty should be suitable for average joe as well. This forum makes it easyto go by super cracks, who by far are not representative of the player base.
And if you, as an average player, can only compete on the easiest settings, its disheartening
I thought the idea was to try and bring people into the fold. Is it really necessary to insult some fraction of the fan base?
Couldn't there be other reasons besides stupidity and pridefullness that people might not use those settings?
Could choosing that change affect other things some people didn't want affected?
Heaven forbid that some forum noob ask the devs to consider something.
Maybe the devs will change some of the settings to make it easier. Why would you care if they did? Why would you care whatever they did? Because you could just develop your own mods? Right? Or maybe not?
And that post is an issue, but these aren't?
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SnowDog1942
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Lonestarcanuck
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also...for A18 I would like to see a way to have materials that Zombies can't break.
think about it, in any Zombie movie/show/etc. they can't break everything. yes Zs are not real (yet) and so keeping with the Zombie Universe, you should have items that are zombie proof.
R-Con and Steel should not be breakable for example. in World War Z for example, with the fast aggrisive zombies they could not break most items.
maybe increase the AI for pathing and jumping and stacking, in WWZ the zombies formed a human pyramid
think about it, in any Zombie movie/show/etc. they can't break everything. yes Zs are not real (yet) and so keeping with the Zombie Universe, you should have items that are zombie proof.
R-Con and Steel should not be breakable for example. in World War Z for example, with the fast aggrisive zombies they could not break most items.
maybe increase the AI for pathing and jumping and stacking, in WWZ the zombies formed a human pyramid
Guppycur
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It makes no sense to change the difficulty of the game when there is a difficulty level that suits your needs.I agree here. On average difficulty and gamestage, difficulty should be suitable for average joe as well. This forum makes it easyto go by super cracks, who by far are not representative of the player base.
And if you, as an average player, can only compete on the easiest settings, its disheartening
If your reason is you are "disheartened" to play on "easy", how are you going to feel if they shift the difficulty down across the board so you can play "normal", THEN get good and find that even "insane" isn't hard?
"Bored". The answer is "bored".
...you're asking for a major change in the game that not only affects others, but eventually yourself, for the singular purpose of not feeling "disheartened" at playing at easy level.
Gareee
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Thing is most people get 1000 hours of gameplay from the game or more.. you need to levels above beginning play to make it still fun 1000 or 2000 hours in.I agree here. On average difficulty and gamestage, difficulty should be suitable for average joe as well. This forum makes it easyto go by super cracks, who by far are not representative of the player base.
And if you, as an average player, can only compete on the easiest settings, its disheartening
First time players should start at the beginner level, and increase difficulty as they improve, and MANY games are like this. Biginning gameplay teaches you the value of the stealth system, and why you WANT to use it instead of just nerfing the gameplay by nerdpoling or block breaking just to get to treasure rooms.
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Roland
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I disagree. A game can have a reputation for being a tough game at its default level and do just fine. There is nothing disheartening at all about playing the game on its easiest settings if those settings make the game playable and fun.I agree here. On average difficulty and gamestage, difficulty should be suitable for average joe as well. This forum makes it easyto go by super cracks, who by far are not representative of the player base.
And if you, as an average player, can only compete on the easiest settings, its disheartening
Consider that if TFP simply changed the wording on the menu so that the currently easiest setting was presented as default and people could increase the difficulty up to Nomad then there probably wouldn’t be anything disheartening to talk about. Casuals would happily play the default level and super cracks would shift the slider up.
That can happen right now with the only difference being that the easiest setting is known to be a (-2) instead of a (0).
I’m not saying that the devs shouldn’t tune gamestages or try to improve the pacing but there is nothing wrong with playing the game on Scavenger (-2) or Adventurer (-1) if those settings end up being more fun for someone. Especially when the main difference between the modes is exactly the answer to the player’s issue.
Roland
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Concerning the settings: The only differences between the difficulty settings are speed at which gamestage ramps up (which directly answers the fellows complaint) and the hp of the zombies. For a casual player those are the perfect changes to make the game more accessible. If Casual Joe wants slower gamestage progression so that Ferals don’t show up as early then the difficulty settings are the way to go. Personally I think they should make the difficulty levels purely about gamestage progression and bring back the player vs zombie and zombie vs player sliders. Then there would be absolutely no reason to play on easiest if your sole concern is how early the Ferals show up.
Concerning Snow Dog and the rules: You are absolutely right. Those posts you quoted are over the top and inappropriate and Snowdog definitely stepped over the line. I’ll clean those up and ask Snow to keep to the rules better. In the future, though, please use the report feature to bring such things to our attention.
canadianbluebeer
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Trying to get the interleave at the best setting for the low level format.
umf.
Jackelmyer
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Wait... We can stop defragging? :-O
Jackelmyer
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I can empathise with this.
But generally speaking, IMO, a general "Difficulty" setting as it currently exists really is ill suited for 7 Days To Die. My hope is they bring in more game settings, like, for example, turning off digging, and make the Difficulty settings a template style of game settings. Where, for example, on Easy, Zombie game stage is elongated, Digging is turned off, block damage is boosted, zombie damage is nerfed, zombie health is nerfed, etc. But each of these are independent settings when starting a game.
I think that most of us have acknowledged that 7 Days To Die has a wide variety of ways it can be played and approached. I think that the game appeals to a huge range of players and with that a huge range of play styles.
Really, at least IMO, purely for the sake of the game, this to me seems like the best approach. The more you can allow players to define their game experience when starting a game, the better off I think the game will be.
I genuinely do not see a reason to have 7 Days To Die be a rigidly designed game out of the box. Or why anyone would want to aim this game towards a rigid design. To me, no way of playing should be off the table.
Someone wants zombies to always run and 1 hit concrete blocks on Game Stage 1? Go for it!
Someone wants zombies to always walk and struggle to knock down cotton plants? Have at it!
Want a base that zombies can never reach and is essentially invulnerable? Go you!
Want food to have 20% the normal effect so that your survival skills are better tested? Done!
Whatever the game play style, having a wide array of settings only expands accessibility and the range of players who would could enjoy the game dramatically... if only for that one setting...
Case in point, I don't think I'd play this game if there wasn't a drop setting for Toolbelt, Backpack, All, etc. If I were to guess, that one setting kept a lot of people interested in the game as opposed to turned off. Why TFP wouldn't take this approach in every situation is beyond me.
I mean... They're not building 7D2D as a hobby. If you can engage more people with more ways to play the game... How... is that not a win for everyone?
But I'm of the opinion that 7 Days To Die could nearly replace Minecraft and a host of other games out there. That what TFP has started shouldn't be viewed as "Get'er done and move to the next", but as something TFP can build off of over time. Or... Sell 7D2D to a company that would treat it as such.
The potential of this game is ridiculous. Just... absolutely... Insane.
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Quantum Blue
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To be clear: I love the game (just under 4500 hours) and TFP can make change to any settings they want. Or change up the game any way they want. I doubt they'll lose me. (A reason I don't post very often.)
An I do apologize for the public reponse.
An I do apologize for the public reponse.
Weazelsun
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^^, this what I'm asking of madmole, is of considerations in tuning gamestages even more to give the illusion of fairness in terms of when a player begins to encounter ferals and radiated zombies. I have no problem with the zombie AI, I can kill zombies from time to time considering I'm mostly an mp player and the server I play on has a diffulculty setting of 5, I believe. It's just the gamestage.
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