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There's an inherent problem with a stealth build in this game though... You're spending points on it instead of important "builds", and this flaw comes up every 7 days when the gps zombies come.
What's the advantage of stealth on a "stealth doesn't work" day? And if there is none, why do that build at all?
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Also how do you stealth a zombie being something? How do you stealth a zombie in a closet?

 
Stealth BuildPro: conserve bullets

Con: weak on horde night

Gun Nut Build

Pro: strong on horde night

Con: spend many bullets

Seems fair. The stealth guy will have lots of bullets to spend on horde night and have more time to make traps and passive defenses since he won’t have to mine and scavenge to craft more bullets.

The gun nut guy will need to spend time crafting bullets but will be able to more easily mow down the waves of zombies on horde night by taking direct action.

Strengths and weaknesses. Why take stealth if it is weaker on horde night? Because it results in a different experience with unique challenges if you played a guns blazing build the last time.

Not really seeing an issue here.
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I do appreciate the effort to balance. And if TFP see this as balanced I'll accept it. But really? Who struggles with horde night?

I have a horde every night series and I can kill the entire horde, every night, with just melee. Easy.

The t5 towers are the issue. Stealth is better. Period. And I hate stealth. So I'm stuck I guess lol.

Ahhh well. If they say its balanced at least they are putting thought in and trying. I can respect that. And disagree.

 
If you're going to invalidate your post you should do it in the first sentence, not the last. :)
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It's not invalid. In just talking about alpha 17 because I dont have access to alpha 18.

The point of the argument is to give TFP things to think about during balance, nothing more.

 
You start off by saying if they were equal they wouldn't be builds. Then you make the case they are equal because stealth takes alot longer to clear a poi but run and gun uses more ammo.
First point is yes, they should be equal. But maybe it's the word equal that is the issue here. By equal I mean they play differently. One is run and gun and other is quiet and stealthy. If it was balanced they would both be great choices. They both get the job done but play really differently. I think that's the best case.

Second point. It will take me way longer to hunt down the materials to make the 500 bullets I wasted going through a poi than the extra time it takes the stealth guy to finish the same poi. This makes stealth a better build. That's imbalance.

This all all based on alpha 17 of course.
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Keep in mind that we'll be double dipping weapon damage in A18. I don't know exactly how the stats will scale, of course, but presumably a high tier gun with good stats and mods will do quite a bit more damage than now. Combine that with perks from your preferred skill tree, which includes increased damage, as well as boosted headshot multipliers and increased dismemberment chance, I think it's safe to say that a modded, high tier gun with the appropriate perks will absolutely shred compared to now.

Maybe with those compounding bonuses the ammo count for a T5 tower will drop from 500 to 200, for instance.

 
Kage, can you just stop pounding on A18 balance with A17 "facts" like they still apply to A18 even though you have absolutely no clue about what you're talking ? There's a line between fair skepticism and plain negativity, I think you started crossing it a couple posts ago even though madmole gave you some answers.

Why don't you mark the debate in your head and bring it back on once you validated it's still an issue in A18. Besides, people DO struggle to do horde night, just because you've spent hundreds of hours dealing with them doesn't make them ezpz for everyone.

 
Also how do you stealth a zombie being something? How do you stealth a zombie in a closet?
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Its not his fault that he is in the closet...its just who he is!

Its not like there is something wrong with that! No No

 
I would say TFP can mark A17 stealth as perfectly balanced, because one person thinks it is horribly overpowered while another person thinks you are bonkers if you put any points in it.

Regarding the t5 towers: I wonder how feasible it would be to make the staircases as as a kill corridor with spike and barbed wire traps to kill most of them in melee and with molotovs? I.e. put spikes on one side of the stairs but you yourself jump down or scale up ladders on the other side of the staircase when you have woken a group of zombies. You probably should still use a gun with a rad remover to "mark" glowies, but apart from that you should be pretty economical with ammo.

How do you stealth a zombie in a closet?
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Shoot closet door with arrow -&gt; closet door is gone -&gt; shoot zombie in closet with another arrow. (if I understood the question correctly)

 
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I would say TFP can mark A17 stealth as perfectly balanced, because one person thinks it is horribly overpowered while another person thinks you are bonkers if you put any points in it.
Regarding the t5 towers: I wonder how feasible it would be to make the staircases as as a kill corridor with spike and barbed wire traps to kill most of them in melee and with molotovs? I.e. put spikes on one side of the stairs but you yourself jump down or scale up ladders on the other side of the staircase when you have woken a group of zombies. You probably should still use a gun with a rad remover to "mark" glowies, but apart from that you should be pretty economical with ammo.

Shoot closet door with arrow -&gt; closet door is gone -&gt; shoot zombie in closet with another arrow. (if I understood the question correctly)
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Does that really work? You can shoot the door off a closet and it does not wake up the zombie? Lol

I did this once. I thought it was a bug. That's kinda strange but useful info, thanks.

 
Does that really work? You can shoot the door off a closet and it does not wake up the zombie? Lol
I did this once. I thought it was a bug. That's kinda strange but useful info, thanks.
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It... sometimes works using a firearm with max stealth perks and a silencer. I never go INSIDE a POI with a bow unless I want to increase the danger level.

Maybe early game would be fine with a bow.

 
Kage, can you just stop pounding on A18 balance with A17 "facts" like they still apply to A18 even though you have absolutely no clue about what you're talking ? There's a line between fair skepticism and plain negativity, I think you started crossing it a couple posts ago even though madmole gave you some answers.
Why don't you mark the debate in your head and bring it back on once you validated it's still an issue in A18. Besides, people DO struggle to do horde night, just because you've spent hundreds of hours dealing with them doesn't make them ezpz for everyone.
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I'm not pounding on alpha 18 at all. Everyone of my posts were about alpha 17. This has been pretty clear.

Any of my alpha 17 points were just to give TFP stuff to consider when dealing with alpha 18.

As for people struggling with horde night. Imho horde nights are way easier than t5 high gamestage poi clearing. That's where I need help, and no i dont want to play stealth. Thats all I'm saying.

 
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You're lucky Roland has the patience of a rock.

 
Does that really work? You can shoot the door off a closet and it does not wake up the zombie? Lol
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Yeah, that works. The zombie doesn't wake up because the sound source is your weapon and not the door that gets destroyed.

 
Put me out of my misery somebody
Are we looking at the beginning of August or at the back end of August?
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End of Aug, beginning of Sep is the current tentative timeframe outlined in Roland's streamer post.

So after that.

 
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