Doombringer101
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All good, it has been reported apparently.
PC Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!
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MechanicalLens
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That's good to know. Hey, at least this bug doesn't affect every craftable item in the book. *Shrugs*
madmole
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People were suicide farming 100s of blood bags, so there was a buff that was added on death, that TFP didn't approve of, death should clear all buffs for consistency. Without that inconsistency they could farm all the blood bags they want for a one time maximum loss of 50% xp.
Furthermore, the large first aid kit violated one of 18's key principal designs which is all good crafts require a loot only trinket. As it was they were 100% farmable which also goes against everything we've done making odd loot only trinkets to craft anything decent.
More blood kits are in loot now, so it should be fine, just no endless best medical item in the game.
madmole
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We're set up now internally to deliver some small updates, so I'd like to try it at least. If it turns out to be a hassle we can always go back to yearly updates but its too much stress. It feels good to complete some stuff a-z and get it out there. THen we can get focus testing too instead of "here what do you think of our whole new game". If we do a small book update the entire conversation will be about the new books and not about 4 million possible changes, giving proper attention to each new thing we do.
Updates are good for business too, and for sustaining the community, so I feel like some small updates will be good. We can test and fix those things up fast too instead of getting a lot of bugs all over the place from larger builds.
MechanicalLens
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That's good. Especially with the new death debuff (which I highly approve of), I wouldn't have found it worth it at all to farm blood bags. Heck, I can't say I've ever used a blood draw kit.
Johnny rebo
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Wife and I are about to log in at 21:40 for day 70 horde. We haven’t seen a demolisher yet. I feel we may very soon!
AtomicUs5000
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OK, sounds cool.
Quite true that a bunch of bugs spread over various parts of the game causes some chaos and confusion. Well, not just bugs, but changes in general as well.
Sometimes it becomes hard to tell whether something was a change or a bug or possibly both on the player's end too... so some things that could have been reported and probably fixed sooner just don't get reported properly.
But isn't everyone doing this? Find an acceptable t2 weapon and you'll often use it instead of your attribute weapon. Until you have a few points into your attributes and weapon perks.
On the whole agi may really be weak compared to other trees because stealth gameplay wastes A LOT OF TIME. But that isn't because of the primitive bow who like all the other tier1 weapons gets used for the first 2 days on average (very rough estimate). And that only because many players do many buried treasure quests on their first (two) day(s).
That you might have bad luck and not find any tier2 of your attribute for some time can happen in all other attributes too. If there is an imbalance in finding wooden bows to other tier2 weapons than that must be addressed as a bug, not as a balance problem. A strength player won't use the blunderbuss much when he finds an ak, until he has specced some into strength. I don't see a difference to Agi.
The Agi player also has pistols as alternative tier2 ranged weapon, did you take that into account ? I'm just not sure whether TFP kept that as an advantage or adjusted drop rate of tier2 agi weapons because there are two of them.
Generally it is VERY difficult comparing the attributes. They are made to be very diverse and allowing very different playstyles and that is a good thing in my book. But it also means that players prefering specific play styles (and who doesn't) will feel the weapons and perks of some attributes giving him more power than others.
And naturally the AK player will mow through POI's much faster than an agility player, but that saved time has to be put into mining additional ammo used while mowing. This means also that the agi player isn't as dependant on resource gathering/mining perks as others. Can the fortitude player survive without spending lots of points into strength/mother lode?
Caveat: I find the agility/stealth player as powerful as he was in A17, I just don't have tried other attributes in A18 yet, they might really be more powerful. I just think your arguments were all over the place, mixing in possible bugs and possibly bad luck does not really show whether agi on the whole is deficient
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kuratowakiru
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Just have a though about the spear, not sure if others would like it.
remove the spear throwing as strong attack, strong attack now is stronger stab that can pierce 2-3 zombies.
new weapon, Javelin.
with stone tip, iron tip and steel tip, max stack is 5 (treated as ammo type).
cost about 5 times of an arrow of the same class or cost the same as the spear - spear part (what ever is more balance).
It under the same perk as spear.
Javelin can't be use as melee, throw only, cost same stamina as spear throwing.
Damage equal to average spear damage range.
remove the spear throwing as strong attack, strong attack now is stronger stab that can pierce 2-3 zombies.
new weapon, Javelin.
with stone tip, iron tip and steel tip, max stack is 5 (treated as ammo type).
cost about 5 times of an arrow of the same class or cost the same as the spear - spear part (what ever is more balance).
It under the same perk as spear.
Javelin can't be use as melee, throw only, cost same stamina as spear throwing.
Damage equal to average spear damage range.
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JaxTeller718
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I agree 100 percent with this philosophy.
The only thing i dont see eye to eye with is the death penalty. Its way too lenient. When i get an infection now I never look for a cure, i just die. Go get my stuff (which is usually right where my bed is since i seek death out) and then take the xp hit. Its literally 4 zombies to kill then you are back in blue. No one can argue that there is any real penalty. It slows you down for maybe 4 minutes if even that.
Certainly do not want the old way back either, i hated the perk hit for sure, and stamina was no fun to wait on either, but the current death penalty is a minor inconvenience and I doubt anyone is in stage 3 of infection or food poisoning and waiting it out for a cure. Its a waste of time. Suicide, respawn, kill a few zeds and you're as good as new.
AtomicUs5000
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I was under the impression that if you were a high level, then it might take hundreds of zombies to make up for the xp loss, since it's a percentage.
I could be wrong... this isn't something I experience due to dead is dead.
JaxTeller718
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The quicker updates are keeping the people talking and anticipating each next one. I love the new more frequent updating and I agree it has to be a lot easier on you guys and your testers not having to cram a years worth of stuff in in a few experimentals. Its kept me invested in this Alpha to this day. Just started a new world on b5 having skipped b4 and looking forward to a new adventure.
madmole
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It really depends how you play. The sledge is great if you can manage your stamina properly and learn the timing of it. For those who are a bad aim or don't get any sex rex one miss could be life or death because of the stamina drain and the huge amount of missed dps, where the knuckles and knives are more forgiving, and generally don't tap into your stamina nearly as much, so you need less food.
Generally speaking I kind of agree with you, but at the same time I feel like knuckles and knives are such higher volume strikes that the chance for a dismemberment is through the roof late game and its just more fun exploding heads rapidly than using the sledgehammer to me. So if you stick with them they prove to be pretty good later game, where the sledge is probably better early game.
JaxTeller718
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This could be possible, My highest level char was a 26 and it wasnt that difficult to get it back. I may have to reserve my judgment until I reach the 40's or so. If i can sustain interest that long lol. Usually have all the good quality stuff well before that and itching for a new play.
madmole
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Its a big list of all the parts in a list, its just random. You can use any firearm for stealth, but the silenced pistol or smg is best because agilty governs it.I know, I got little mischievousBut really what I feel the real problem is that their drop seems lower than "firearms." On day 14 I looted plenty of pistols, shotguns and ak-47 but crosbows and bows are quite rare (Is it so, or just bad luck?) in addition you can use any firearm for any build and be effective but for stealth builds you are forced to use bow/crosbow. For this reason I do not really bother with stealth agility build at the beginning. Also, from what I read on the forums, I havent seen many people specing into stealth either.
And that might stem the desire for easier T2 bow crafting. To enable stealth builds early.
AtomicUs5000
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Unless something changed. I'm pretty sure this is the way they went. Level 80+ from what I've heard can be a severe blow if you were almost to the point of leveling up.
What I don't like with the death penalty, is that there is some point where you have a decent chance to get some higher-end loot, but the penalty isn't great enough to deter people from dying daily after loot runs. The result is a well-stocked arsenal at a low game stage that then allows you to progress easily into late game from that point forward.
MechanicalLens
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Hit every tree stump you find, and you'll be swimming honey. While lose XP when you can just use a jar of honey out of the 40-50 you have in your chest? Seems like a massive waste to me.
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Level 80+ takes 500000+ XP to level up, or about a level every 2-3 days.
JaxTeller718
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Not really. Why use the honey and then wait a few minutes for it to tick down when i can suicide, clear my buff and then use my level 5 modded out shottie in a house and gain it back in seconds while also continuing to level?
All while gaining back full health and water. Its almost a gimme at that point.
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