PC Almost 1 year since the last "major" update

unholyjoe said:
if someone was to look at the game credits it would be clear we have far more then 2 developers.

but i am sure when he said 2 he was just giving an example. :)

also, if you were following our progress/process, you would have seen that we tried the speedy, small builds and it failed (no matter how we develop.. there will always be the 50/50). so we steered away from the smaller builds in favor of getting a larger project done that gave more meaning to the game in the direction we are heading and then releasing it.
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Since Alpha 15-16 I have been constantly following updates (previous Alphas just played around a bit, dropped it, came back years later, etc.), when did you try the "small" updates? I was unaware of that 😮

(I'm not asking for small updates either, if in 1 year we get a big update, 1-2 months would be like a small update, then 6 months would be a medium update, which is what I would like).

 
Thanks for your opinion but after 7 years of doing it their way despite many many threads just like yours pleading for faster updates, it just isn't going to happen. It is just how they operate and it will most likely continue to be so with their next game as well. There is nothing wrong with playing a game twice a year as long as you have other games in your library. The fact that you keep coming back and that with each new update the overall growth of the player base continues to rise shows that the way they are doing it isn't harming them.

The game is not subscription based so from their perspective whether someone plays it every moment of the past year or only twice-- they get paid the same. And since people keep coming back it is a win anyway.

Best is to let them just develop the way they have been doing for 7+ years since it works for them. A poll from years ago doesn't matter. Even if the poll had gone the other way in favor of faster updates-- they wouldn't be contractually bound to that for heaven's sake-- so just let the poll mythology go.

Your thread is just another in a long line of opinions just like it and none of them have changed TFP's minds.

 
TheBus4K said:
Since Alpha 15-16 I have been constantly following updates (previous Alphas just played around a bit, dropped it, came back years later, etc.), when did you try the "small" updates? I was unaware of that 😮

(I'm not asking for small updates either, if in 1 year we get a big update, 1-2 months would be like a small update, then 6 months would be a medium update, which is what I would like).
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Small updates were tried at around Alpha 6 - 8.

Alpha 15 was already long after they realized that short updates weren't going to work for them. They obviously realized that many players wanted shorter updates so they would state that they hoped the next one would be shorter but nah.

 
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TheBus4K said:
I have been waiting a long time for an update to be able to enjoy the game again.
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I you're looking for something different from the game, you could try playing on public servers, which have a variety of mods and game styles. Or you could try an overhaul mod like Darkness Falls, War of the Walkers, Ravenhearst, etc. The 7D2D Mod Launcher is a great way to check out these mods.

 
The good news is that by the time 7DTD goes gold we will have solved global warming.  Or we'll be living 7DTD.  Either way, win!

 
The development itself is its own survival experience. WIll you still be here in the end? Many who began this journey have given up. What day will you continue to play to...?

 
I agree with some parts of your sentiment here.  The game does become repetitive at later stages and adding in new things like bandits, etc would make the game harder. 

However, even if they added bandits and whatnot to the final product, eventually you would end up in the very spot that you are in now.  A game that becomes very repetitive over time because at that point you would've already adapted to the changes and learned how to work around them.  And then you will continue to ask for more which ultimately leads to a never ending scenario that YOU in particular are happy not with.

This is what I love about mods.  I play the vanilla game with no mods at different settings, vanilla with very few mods, or an entire overhaul mod.  And mods for this game won't ever stop and will only continue to get better.

Do you think people would still be playing Skyrim if it was still vanilla?

Hyperbolt said:
 If you ask the pimps, they will respond "its done when its done" and that about as accurate answer you will get regarding the time to the next alpha! 
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I actually like this approach.  I think they do this because it creates less pressure on them AND we get a better product in the end whenever they do release an update. What I mean is, if they set an EXACT release date then all of us are going to be expecting it, and then they're being forced to put out an unfinished product (which is what we see with major distributors like EA) .  

I don't know about you, but I don't want that either.  I would rather see them take as much time as they need to get right, based on the vision and direction they intend to go, and end up with a balanced masterpiece in the end as opposed to a broken mess.

 
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Roland said:
The development itself is its own survival experience. WIll you still be here in the end? Many who began this journey have given up. What day will you continue to play to...?
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Each alpha is a survival experience for sure. Went from 100+ day play throughs on A16 to taking A17 off (you know 17 was atrocious). 18 was ok and 19 is getting better. 

 
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Everyone says A17 was atrocious but I really enjoyed the stuffed full POIs and new zombie AI was lots of fun outside of horde nights.

 
Roland said:
Everyone says A17 was atrocious but I really enjoyed the stuffed full POIs and new zombie AI was lots of fun outside of horde nights.
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I agree with Roland!   The first time I cracked open a POI and had a bus load of zombies pile out it was ... well just great.

 
There's no pressure for them to work hard on quality update, because this community is full of apologists. I suspect some may even be on the payroll, if you pay close attention to the reactions to many posts. 

I had not played in months, and the first thing I noticed upon logging in is that there is still no attack animation for the spear - a little jarring when you're playing with a friend. It's not that this is a game-breaking issue, but it's just inexcusable that this is somehow a lower priority than updating the Hawaiian zombie model. Additionally, the quests you receive from traders are still labeled with locations such as house_old_03, or store_02. 

Really, how lazy is this team?

Oh and before I forget, the reason I made an account was to report two bugs I had found. One was that the Physician perk did not actually allow you to heal allies as it claimed, and the other was something to do with the stun baton perk. Not only have those threads been deleted or hidden, but the Physician perk no longer even claims to allow players to heal allies. What, was that too complicated for this development team? 

 
Yark said:
I had not played in months, and the first thing I noticed upon logging in is that there is still no attack animation for the spear - a little jarring when you're playing with a friend. It's not that this is a game-breaking issue, but it's just inexcusable that this is somehow a lower priority than updating the Hawaiian zombie model. Additionally, the quests you receive from traders are still labeled with locations such as house_old_03, or store_02.
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They've begun working on player/bandit animations with A20 so it is not surprising that you still aren't seeing improvements in that area coming back months later to play some more A19. Localization is also an ongoing project. I'm not apologizing for them here-- just giving some information regarding these issues you've raised. Of course, some like yourself will see it as an inexcusable travesty of game development and sure sign of lazy developers that issues you care about aren't of higher priority to the developers but that is also something I can't apologize for.

Yark said:
Oh and before I forget, the reason I made an account was to report two bugs I had found. One was that the Physician perk did not actually allow you to heal allies as it claimed, and the other was something to do with the stun baton perk. Not only have those threads been deleted or hidden, but the Physician perk no longer even claims to allow players to heal allies. What, was that too complicated for this development team? 
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The bug report subforum has been closed and there is a new bug pool reporting area that you can reach by clicking on the green banner. It is very likely your report was either moved there. Hard to say since the only time line you gave was "months ago".  I'm not sure what the plan is with the Physician perk. It could be the claim was removed temporarily until they can get to it or maybe it was changed. You'd have to give a bit more concrete details about the stun baton perk.

 
Roland said:
Hard to say since the only time line you gave was "months ago". 
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You're conflating two different things. I said this is the first time I had played "in months," but that the reason I created this forum account was to report two bugs. Looks like I joined March of 2020, so those threads would have been posted at that time.

Also, I said that not fixing a simple aesthetic flaw like quest location names was inexcusable, but I never said it was a travesty. If you find yourself needing to use hyperbole to get your point across, you may need to slow down and think about what you're really trying to say.

 
Pot and kettle dude. pot and kettle. I answered you at the same exact level that you began. Don't dish out medicine you can't swallow yourself. ;)

March of 2020 sounds about right. I don't think your posts were deleted. They were swept into the new format. Sorry for the confusion. As for the rest, you'll either be patient with the dev's order of priority or not. Probably best to just play other stuff until the game is pronounced done if you are going to feel that certain things are inexcusable when you play the game.

 
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100% Fine waiting and appreciate the developers communication.  Without showing signs of life I might be concerned about the game but they are clearly working hard on it so as long as it takes is fine.  Of course I would love to know what they are targeting but as soon as they say it publicly people try hold them to those dates which is not fair.  So when its done its done is fine with me.  This team has earned our trust.

 
Urban Blackbear said:
Zombie clowns, the only thing that truly terrifies me.
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I never go into the churches in this game (especially church basements) since the atmosphere freaks me out. Devs did a good job. If they added a circus with zombie clowns I‘d definitely avoid that too. Still cool idea though!

 
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