With the right buffs, the cost is greatly reduced. I buy the Q6 panels for about 17k with discounts instead of the base price of 64k. So the cost isn't really that bad. I'm usually selling enough to cover the cost of the panels when I'm buying them.
6 panels at that cost is still over 100k. And the power output of one bank is less than a generator (around half, IIRC). So for equal power, you're still looking at around 200k. Plus the time investment to try and find that many Q6 panels. I'm not saying you can't afford it. But the cost of it (time and money) just to avoid clicking to refill is really not worth it. Just my opinion, and I LIKE solar.
Fair enough.... I dont think 100k is that much. I usually have much more than that in the later stages of the game. In my current game, I'm on day 86 and have 15 Q6 solar panels with about 70k dukes remaining. So for me, solar is totally worth it.
Wild guess.
Its super much for the the solar energy, since we cant craft solar panel and solar cells even after so many years of its existence! They should decrease solar prices about 4 times "minimum" while keeping it non craftable, or just simply allow us to craft them
If they decreased the cost by that much it would be so inexpensive that no one would bother with gas powered generators anymore. Solar is, and IMO should be, end game power. As I said earlier, with the right buffs to bartering you can get the cost reduced from 64k to about 17k and by that point in the game I was selling about 30k worth of goods per trader every 3 days.
Unfortunately, that would cater the sense of progress (for some) from natural water collection to dew collector. I wouldn't specify one or the other -- natural vs. artificial -- even with a setup toggle.
At the risk of beating a dead horse.... I dont believe the issue has anything to do with abstraction. It has to do with the ability to collect water from a river. If they want to keep full abstraction and just have you collect jars of water by right clicking on a body of water, I think the pro jar faction of people would be satisfied.
Remember that many players end the game somewhere around day 40-60 with 60 minute days. For solar to be valuable to the majority of players, it needs to be easily obtainable by players early enough to be used. I don't think most players are making that much money each game day at that point in the game. Some do, but I think most don't. In any case, I never really minded the cost of solar. I used solar all the time in the past and the price hasn't changed. What I think causes the problem is the time required to try and find enough solar panels of high level to make solar actually useful. Low level solar panels are basically useless and not worth getting unless you want to take up a LOT of space for solar to have enough power to do much of anything. The cost is not just money but also time and effort. Put it back to A20 or whenever and it'll be fine. Make high tier solar as easy to get as back then and it would be fine.
No, it's definitely abstraction. Collecting water from a river is only a small part of it as that could have easily been done without jars. Click to get water and you have a jar of water without any jar required. But that's abstraction and people complained about anything like that just as they do with the dew collector not using jars to make water. If people didn't care about abstraction, there wouldn't be any reason for people saying that jars appearing out of thin air or disappearing after use was a problem because that's just an abstraction -- the jars are still there but not shown anywhere except when filled with water.
That is exactly what I just said.... I believe if they did that, people would've been satisfied. I disagree that abstraction was the sticking point. I'm sure some people would still argue, but I believe that the majority of people who wanted jars wanted them so they could collect water.
Disagree again, if you're only going to play 40-60 days then you need to accept the fact that there will be things you don't get. Solar should be end game and end game should take longer than 40-60 days, IMO.
I think it does. One group wants every action they perform and every step of a process (e.g. "dew" collection to purification to the player collecting the end result from the collector) to be represented "realistically" in the game. The other other is fine with video game abstractions and not particularly interested in "realism". One group wants to "live" in the game; the other wants to play it.
I dont believe that is what most peoples issue was. Like I said, IMO, all most people wanted was a way to collect water from open bodies of water. It was a simple as that.
I think that particular audience is also part, actually separate from the other two groups, and they didn't specifically want jars to perform collection from natural water sources, but just to be able to collect from them. Obviously, different players are different and have different ways to play, preferences and all that jazz. But the jar "issue" comes down to aesthetics, in my view.
Well I can't speak for everyone, but for me that was absolutely not the case. I dont recall seeing many people arguing that point either. But, rather than rehash the argument, I'll leave it at that.
At 40 days, the only thing left would be solar. You'd be able to craft Q6 of anything you care about, have done any T5 POIs you want, have whatever base you want. The only point to solar would be just to do solar.
Not arguing. Realism, abstractionism, retrofuturism, romanticism, etc. are all forms of art and appeal to the intangible. It's the technique -- the mechanics -- no one can agree upon.