PC ability to Dig down for zombies. WHY

That was difficult to read but I think what you're saying is that they quit because the game was hard? The problem was, and why they all quit like me, 99% of the crafting was useless. You could live in a 7x7 wooden base from day 1 to day 9999 with no worries of survival or zombies destroying you. You could live on a wood platform on a tree. You could live forever in the ground. Food wasn't an issue, like nothing else was. They didn't find any point in survival since... all of that grinding led to the same result no grinding would -- you're perfectly safe.
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Sorry English is not my first Language.

No what i wantet to say was this.

Many People quit playing in Alpha 15 and 16 and are now back playing possible stoppped in 15 and 16 cause it was not enough PEW PEW and not enough easy mode crafting , leveling and Learning of Recipes.

Now in 17 most Survival is only PEW PEW against zombies get xp get lvl up learn new recipes with skills.

Before it was Learn Recipes with looting and searching books, digging to get better with tools and such stuff.

So possible before it was nothing for the Shooter People but now its only for Shooter People and not really for Builders, RP Players , Miners and others.

 
Ah I see -- a tip would be to avoid the many pew pews lol. Well, they all had the same complaint -- there was zero point in building complex defense, no point in farming/getting recipies, no point in progress. If you grinded a ton, there was no threat to you survival. If you grinded barely anything, there was no threat to your survival.

Don't forget this isn't Minecraft, it's a tower defense with a goal of defending against the zombie hordes, with survival/exploring/crafting aspects and some elements of RPG. If there's no threat to your base, there's no tower defense, is there?

 
Ah I see -- a tip would be to avoid the many pew pews lol. Well, they all had the same complaint -- there was zero point in building complex defense, no point in farming/getting recipies, no point in progress. If you grinded a ton, there was no threat to you survival. If you grinded barely anything, there was no threat to your survival.
Don't forget this isn't Minecraft, it's a tower defense with a goal of defending against the zombie hordes, with survival/exploring/crafting aspects and some elements of RPG. If there's no threat to your base, there's no tower defense, is there?
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Sure there must be a Threat but its not only Tower Defense its also a RPG, Survival and Crafting game. And there is also no real Threat with the Zombies. Dont knwo which alpha it was possible 9 not sure, i was building my Base and there are wandering Horde disturbing me or few single zombies. Thats nothign i had in 16 or 17 it was quiet around me and server is running on insane.

And if the only threat from zombies is they can dig down and do insane amounts of damage against massive structures or spawn with 10 inside a small room then its not really a threat its a really easy way to add some fake difficulty.

For in a Survival game its ok if the AI is little bit cheating to be a threat but not that much as it is in 7days to die.

Zombie AI is currently only a really lazy way to make them a Threat.

Resource Gathering is a joke super high stacksizes, fake weight system, really stupid Buffs from levelup all this are things for a shooter wiht added easy mode crafting survival.

And to be honest i really had no Problems with all this changes if it would be possible to Mod everything but that is not possible.

Simple Example. I want to add back recipe books remove recipes from Skilltree at same time. That works but i cant add a Simple Item Description to the Skillbooks only if i change the Localization file and this File is not shared during connect and also not read from Mods Folder.

 
Zombies need to dig. The game is broken without it. They can't damage concrete and steel and not dig, It is unacceptable to be safe from the bm horde by simply mining down. The only compromise in my opinion, while keeping this a survival game, is removing the ability to mine... and I would hate that. Taking out the digging is equivalent to calling this game 7 Days to Nothing.

A little back story to the zombies might help. We have a combination of infection and radiation. By the zombie characters, it is clear that radiation has somehow been altering the physical makeup of the zombies, or altering the virus to make these changes in the zombies. It isn't that far-fetched that they are strong enough to do this when keeping this in mind.

Perhaps to bring cohesion to this concept, the Feral and Radiated zombies could dig/damage more than the regulars.

An alternative might be to introduce some zombies that have been mutated in such a way that makes them excellent at digging and tearing through hard materials.

 
Zombies need to dig. The game is broken without it. They can't damage concrete and steel and not dig, It is unacceptable to be safe from the bm horde by simply mining down. The only compromise in my opinion, while keeping this a survival game, is removing the ability to mine... and I would hate that. Taking out the digging is equivalent to calling this game 7 Days to Nothing.
A little back story to the zombies might help. We have a combination of infection and radiation. By the zombie characters, it is clear that radiation has somehow been altering the physical makeup of the zombies, or altering the virus to make these changes in the zombies. It isn't that far-fetched that they are strong enough to do this when keeping this in mind.

Perhaps to bring cohesion to this concept, the Feral and Radiated zombies could dig/damage more than the regulars.

An alternative might be to introduce some zombies that have been mutated in such a way that makes them excellent at digging and tearing through hard materials.
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For me this entire Digging and nNsane Damage against massive Blocks is a Lazy and easy way to "fake" some real Threat that not exist.

Damage against Blocks sure makes sense wihtout you could be safe in a Concrete base. But Damage against Blockst and Insane Damage are different things.

Since Madmole always try to bring Ark as a example for something, tell me how many Dinosaurs are active in Ark at same time at same Map in Multiplayer? Few Hundred tamed plus Many more Wild Dinos. All of this Dinos close to Players with active AI. So why its impossible to make Zombies a Threat only by Numbers with normal Block Damage? 100 Zombies trying to get into your Base Punshing your Wall and Door should be enough to be a Threat.

Same with Digging , its a easy way to let them dig and sense the Player also if he is 50 blocks deep. Would be much harder to add other stuff to make Underground Bases harder to build.

So all this Threat from Zombies is only caused by Insane high Damage against Blocks and against Players, High Defense against attacks, high Hitpoints and Spawning behind Players and the Cheat AI with integratet GPS, Radar and Sonar and dont forget the Building Plans of all player owned Structures in the World.

And one thing more about digging.

Why would it hurt you or other People if this enitre Digging yes or no is made a Optional Setting? I always made my base on Surface and will continue with that but i also had Players on my Server who made underground Bases .

 
For me this entire Digging and nNsane Damage against massive Blocks is a Lazy and easy way to "fake" some real Threat that not exist.
Damage against Blocks sure makes sense wihtout you could be safe in a Concrete base. But Damage against Blockst and Insane Damage are different things.

Since Madmole always try to bring Ark as a example for something, tell me how many Dinosaurs are active in Ark at same time at same Map in Multiplayer? Few Hundred tamed plus Many more Wild Dinos. All of this Dinos close to Players with active AI. So why its impossible to make Zombies a Threat only by Numbers with normal Block Damage? 100 Zombies trying to get into your Base Punshing your Wall and Door should be enough to be a Threat.

Same with Digging , its a easy way to let them dig and sense the Player also if he is 50 blocks deep. Would be much harder to add other stuff to make Underground Bases harder to build.

So all this Threat from Zombies is only caused by Insane high Damage against Blocks and against Players, High Defense against attacks, high Hitpoints and Spawning behind Players and the Cheat AI with integratet GPS, Radar and Sonar and dont forget the Building Plans of all player owned Structures in the World.

And one thing more about digging.

Why would it hurt you or other People if this enitre Digging yes or no is made a Optional Setting? I always made my base on Surface and will continue with that but i also had Players on my Server who made underground Bases .
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Couldn't tell you... don't play the game.

I don't have a problem with an option to turn off digging to make the game as easy as possible. I never said that. I am just saying that in order for the base game to be the game that it claims to be, the zombies need to dig. The title of the thread is "ability to Dig down for zombies. WHY".

I'm giving the reason why the best I can as I understand it.

 
Going to cross post from another thread, apologies if this has already been mentioned; I haven't read this entire thread :)

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I think a 'scent trail' would be quite a bit more fun. And realistic

Rather than the two extremes; simple, 'can't dig' of A16, & current go to directly above player, dig straight down of A17.

Scent trail could allow you to build the old hatch out in the middle of nowhere protecting your mineshaft. Z's path to hatch and break through. Come down access shaft, at bottom, or whereever, you've built a defensive spot, or 2 or 3. The pathing would/could keep the z's on that course, providing player with the opportunity to defend, or retreat.

As it is currently you can achieve basically the same thing, but it takes a lot more work. If you're building a large underground bunker you can just dig out 3 more blocks for a 'catch basin' that the z's will fall into, then in that large 'attic' over your base, just have a spot they can path to, then defend from there.

For the mine access inside of base, a scent trail could/would lead the z's to breach the base defenses first. Consider that you may well be out of hearing range. So you'd likely need/want to rig up an alarm system so you'd know you needed to haul butt to defend.

Certainly I've no idea how feasible it is, but it seems to me like it could be more fun & more realistic at the same time.

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Will add that it's no skin off my nose if 'digging' were to be optional. :)

 
Since Madmole always try to bring Ark as a example for something, tell me how many Dinosaurs are active in Ark at same time at same Map in Multiplayer? Few Hundred tamed plus Many more Wild Dinos. All of this Dinos close to Players with active AI. So why its impossible to make Zombies a Threat only by Numbers with normal Block Damage? 100 Zombies trying to get into your Base Punshing your Wall and Door should be enough to be a Threat.
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I think because 7d2d is a Voxel game it has certain limitations that games like Ark don't have.

 
Seems like you're making a lot of assumptions.
We have no idea what caused the zombies.

What if it's a demonic thing?

Some malevolent force guiding the zombies towards you that seeks your soul.

Could be.

Thing is, until we have an official story line we don't know.

Also,

I've been watching zombies movies for 40 years and I can tell you with certainty that...

... yes! Sometimes zombies DO have super powers.

https://screenrant.com/15-best-undead-superheroes-ever-all-time/
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There are some strong evidence that Higashi Pharmaceutical have a hand in the zeds creation or at least analysis as when you loot towards the top of the fielding you see sign across it that says something along the lines of "Bio testing" or "Experiments, something along those lines, I can't remember which exactly, then you see the zeds in their containment cases which they break out of upon you waking them up.

 
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